In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 2075
Online now 1931 Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)
We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.
Where the madness isn't just in March.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
If these things are considered surface issues, then why is it that every time they are discussed half the population thinks the world is going to end.
Its actually a pretty simple question. If you answered it then it would show how ridiculous your ideas really are.
A culture based on western European values of government, speech, norms etc. This really isn't that hard.
Speeding is worse? Seriously? Did you just say that? Btw just bc I think the Martin kid was just as likely at fault doesn't make me team white... especially considering Zimmerman isn't even white... but don't let me interrupt your race card moment.
Golden is better then Jimbo... I feared it was true. He is going to hoist a crystal ball there - fsufsu
IDK, why do people do a lot of what they do? They are still just political issues of our time. For instance acceptance of gays is new to Western Culture...but it fits within the very deep rooted ideals of freedom and individualism that have uniquely accompanied Western society for centuries.
This post was edited by TroyTide 10 months ago
Well for one thing you aren't Asian and haven't grown up around large groups. I have and can tell you out of all the immigrants I've met, they assimilate the least. I don't believe countries have fast tracked immigration around the world, but the immigration process is incredibly slow here, and this is coming from firsthand experience seeing it. Also why should the US pave the way? Let's see, as a country built on immigrants, a country that is experiencing an unprecedented brain drain because the educated immigrants we allow in don't stay and go home we need to keep said talent here. To say Muslims aren't patriotic is just wow I can't believe you would summarize a whole group of people like that. That's like me saying just cause roll tide is a racist that all Alabama fans are all racist rednecks. The Mexican issue has been already stated. If they can't become legal They can't pay taxes.
Waaaaaay too general. Specifics man, specifics! Tell me exactly what you think American culture is. Give me examples of what fits and doesn't fit.
Marriage equality is a political issue? What? That's about as social of an issue as you can get. Was racial integration a political issue then to going on your logic here?
Sweden however does in fact fast track immigration and offers the newcomers more programs than anyone...and 60% of their new arrivals are on the government dole.
Yes actually it was, as were the Jim Crow laws that preceded them.
It's a loaded question that doesn't bring anything of value to the discussion. It's about as useful as me insisting on an answer to: "Since all conservatives are racist pieces of garbage that hate America's values, is it a big deal that they're still allowed to vote?"
Cool learned something new there, but it isn't offered here. Also I'm not at all advocating a system similar to Sweden only a system that doesn't fast track the process just because you have money or some skill we want.
Then what do you call a social issue then?
I love how you picked the speeding part, domestic violence > smoking weed or selling weed, fighting with the police > smoking weed or selling weed and lulz at you accusing me of playing the race card when I was the one calling out folks on ITU for using it on every Randy Shannon thread...
Why on earth would we want anyone with no skills or money?
Social isn't the same as fundamental cultural norms.
Not even close. Your entire post had nothing to do with mine. I didn't really expect it to, though.
Again can you give me examples? Or give me your definition
We took Irish, chinese, and Italian immigrants all of whom were dirt poor, uneducated and didn't speak English. The Chinese built half the transcontinental railroad and has contributed much to american society. The Irish and Italians have also contributed much to society. Why didn't we tell them they couldn't come.
I want to preface by saying that I love history. I've been to numerous European countries and I've seen a great many of mankind's greatest constructions in my lifetime. WWII, specifically, is a period in history I love to study a lot. But someone tell me: Has anyone said in any of these threads that immigrants SHOULDN'T attempt to assimilate into the culture in which they enter into? However, on that same token, does assimilation require 100% subservience to the society in which they join? That would imply that, in no point in human history, have cultures gained positive things from immigrants bringing them into their lands. I get what you say when you talk about European culture or, more specifically, Swedish or English or German culture. But even then, compare their culture now to what it was just 100 years ago, let alone 1000 years ago. It's different, it has evolved. That's human nature; that's progression. Why should we be so focused on shackling ourselves to borders that we, as humans, arbitrarily laid upon maps? Our history is something we should never let go, something we should always remember. But our history shouldn't be an anchor that drags us down while we attempt to evolve and grow as a species and as a society. Traditions are important to everyone, but only GOOD traditions need be kept. There's no reason to keep something that sucks just for the sake of, "Well, it's tradition!" And what, in 250 years, even if immigration runs rampant, does that mean we're going to forget what happened in WWII? In the rise and fall of the Roman Empire? The birth of the world in Mesopotamia? The founding of The United States of America?
No one is calling for any society to supplant itself everywhere in the world and say, "Alright, we're here now. Our way or the highway." But we as human beings have to be moving towards something. Not only is it in our nature, it should most certainly be a goal. There are great things we can and should attain all the time. The world didn't peak in the 11th century. It didn't peak in the Middle Ages. It didn't peak in the Renaissance. It didn't peak during the Industrial Revolution, the Victorian Era, nor has it peaked now. But quite frankly, I constantly see a lot of people wanting to instigate situations that could potentially hinder our growth simply because, "That's the way we've always done it, chief."
Short sighted, IMO.
Well, if you believe what's written on the Statue of Liberty...
You can either say you're against the idea of poor, "no skilled" people coming to your country OR you can tell stories about the "good ol' days" of the American Dream when people with nothing made something of themselves. Doesn't really make sense to have both.
Well written and argued.
We took the Chinese because we needed someone to build the railroad, we took the Irish and Italians to man or factories. This is a different time, we don't need anyone who doesn't have anything but themselves to offer. No benefit in bringing them in.
Hmm interesting. I have made numerous points that I do agree with point one, and used point two to defend my reasoning in point one. Reasoning is because the newest waves of immigrants haven't had enough history in america to make arguments one way or the other.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports