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Seriously. I'm trying to think of a single time Eminem has been a featured artist where he DIDN'T steal the whole song, and I'm not coming up with anything.
edit: and good lord at saying Eminem has "simplistic" lyrics jeeeesus h christ. Only the most technically skilled rapper of all time, putting out rhyme schemes no one can duplicate...but ya, clearly very simplistic lyrics.
This post was edited by inuyesta 2 years ago
He did get Jay on Renegade, Im not denying that.
But, thats one verse. Andre 3000 kils alot of people when he's featured on a song, and hes not even in the bracket.
His lyrics are simplistic. That doesnt mean they arent clever.
He's not a metaphor guy, he's a hit you in the mouth with the line guy.
It works though.
Metaphorically Jay is better, imo. Em eats him with the flow though.
Also, sad to say as it is, Jay-Z has only stayed relevant the past 7 years or so by piggybacking on others. Kanye West is the primary creative force down there, has been for some time.
The difference is, MM has been doing that since the Slim Shady LP.
The big difference between Em and Jay? Jay Z hasn't had a single song come close to the lyrics of Beautiful. You ask 100 people for a top 10 Eminem list, and probably 50 of those people leave Beautiful off of their list. That speaks of the greatness of Eminem, and not badly of Jay Z.
I dont think he was piggy backing for 7 yrs.
And he put Kanye on, so when Kanye makes $$ Jay makes $$.
Reasonable Doubt is one of the best albums in history by the way.
Black Album was 7 years ago. That's why I cut that statement off where I did.
Kingdom Come, American Gangster, and Blueprint 3 were all weak as hell. Blueprint 3 was the best of the bunch with 4 hot songs, 3 of which were produced by Kanye. The other one was Empire State of Mind, where Alicia Keys completely outshines Jay.
And yeah, Reasonable Doubt was tight, so was The Blueprint, but both of those albums are over a decade old.
Marine have you ever heard:
You dont know
Moment of Clarity
Anyone of these will compare to Beautiful, lyrically.
I've heard all of them. I'm a big fan of Jay Z.
When I'm Gone is another one from Em that just can't be touched. Not sure how that one slipped my mind.
Inuyesta, Jay doesnt have to lean on Kanye for production, at all.
Just like Em doesnt lean on Dre
Well, nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.
At least this isnt a Lil Wayne vs Em/biggie/jay z debate.
I hate those
Maybe Jay "doesn't have to" lean on Kanye...but he does. Watch the Throne is basically pure Kanye; conceptually, musically, everything in that album has Kanye written all over it. As previously discussed, all but one of the good songs on The Blueprint 3 were Kanye-produced. And that's before we even get into Jay's older stuff, where Kanye was absurdly prevalent as well.
In a "coincidence" that should shock no one, Jay-Z's two weakest albums - Kingdom Come and American Gangster - have exactly one Kanye West track between them.
Kanye is a top tier beat maker, that happens to work for Jay Z. Is that not relevant to you?
Eminem uses big producers too.
Jim Jonsin, Khalil, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre etc
And Inuyesta, not that it matters, but just about all of Em's big hits were from Dre or the Bass Brothers.
...really? Because here are the Eminem songs I would consider big hits and their producers...
No Love - Just Blaze
Love the Way You Lie - Alex da Kid
Not Afraid - Boi-1da and Eminem
Beautiful - Eminem and Jeff Bass
We Made You - Dr. Dre, Eminem, and Doc Ish
When I'm Gone - Eminem
Mockingbird - Eminem and Luis Resto
Sing For The Moment - Eminem
Superman - Eminem
Lose Yourself - Eminem and Jeff Bass
Cleanin Out My Closet - Eminem and Jeff Bass
Without Me - Eminem, Jeff Bass, Urban Kris, DJ Head
Stan - The 45 King
The Way I Am - Eminem
The Real Slim Shady - Dr. Dre and Mel Man
Guilty Conscience - Dr. Dre and Eminem
My Name Is - Dr. Dre
The only time I see him leaning on Dr. Dre is in the very beginning. Jeff Bass pops up from time to time, but the biggest common thread here is Eminem producing his own hits.
edit: and obviously Em had to lean on Dr. Dre in the beginning, he had no cred without Dre at the beginning. But then he grew up pretty quickly and stopped being dependent on anyone but himself for hit records.
Contrast that with Jay-Z, who had a really strong voice and made it on his own at the beginning of his career, and then in the middle/end of it just found a stud producer to lean on.
I really do like both, but I went with Em for the sole reason that of the 16 albums of them combined I have put on eminem's signicantly more over the last year. There are many on here who know more about quality of lyrics and style, but if come back after 10 years on a drive then those win.
This post was edited by shaunsimpson 2 years ago
Jay-Z. I think being with Beyoncé should get him some points as well.
Em by 8 miles...Jay-Z gets turned everytime..i hate his voice! But thats just me
Seems pretty early in bracket for these two to meet up. Selection committee really messed up here
Not guilty y'all got to feel me
He didn't have alot going for him? Only the best producer in the game backing him......and he is good and white. That's the perfect storm for the trl generation.
Jay-Z is better than em. He has made more music and more classic songs and albums. Some dumbass had the audacity to say eminen and its not close. Go back to highschool with that sh!t
jay-z annoys the shit out of me now
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too many youngins here. Jay-Z had about 4 or 5 classic albums out before eminem even came out with his 2nd CD(infinite doesnt count). eminem has 6 albums and 3 of them are classics. the body of work doesnt add up
This isn't even close. Lol at Jay-z
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