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I don't track this but I bet on average Izzo gets to more final fours with less NBA talent then anyone.
That's what Illinois thought in '89.
What talent has Izzo had, exactly, that would make him the favorite to win a title?
laconophilia is everywhere...
Illinois 89 ain't MSU under Izzo son.
Look, I didn't come on here and start by trashing Izzo. I came on and congratulated you on your impressive win. It was one of your resident trolls who started ragging on Beilein - the coach who has beaten Izzo 3 out of the last 4 and won a share of the B10 title last year with clearly inferior talent - by idiotically suggesting that he has a history of underperforming with "great talent". I just assumed most MSU fans had some working knowledge about college basketball. Clearly, I was wrong.
Well, considering he has won the same number of national championships as Steve Fisher and a dozen or so other one-hit wonders, what in the world justifies comparing him to Phil Jackson?
Yeah, I watch MSU basketball. Played it in high school up to my senior year. But if you want to say I don't have a working knowledge of college Bball I'm good with that.
You said: "Talk about a coach underperforming considering the talent he's had."
Rivals/Scout/ESPN Class Rankings:
Based on these rankings, getting to the elite 8 or better is overperforming, yet Izzo has how many Final Fours?
No. I was talking about the person who claimed Beilein has a history of underperforming with great talent. As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.
You say that UM had clearly inferior talent last year, yet MSU's freshman class is ranked just as high as UM's, and now UM clearly has more talent (according to another post of yours)? This makes no sense.
HAHAHA. I just went back and looked at what you considered "comparing (Izzo) to Phil Jackson". Pffffft.
Starting the sentence with "Even Phil Jackson" directly implies that Izzo isn't as good as Phil Jackson, but even Phil Jackson struggled in a similar way.
What a pathetic troll.
That doesn't tell you anything because it doesn't tell you which kids leave early for the NBA. If Izzo's players stay longer on average than Kentucky's, he very easily could have the more talented team in a given year. That is one reason the mid-majors are able to compete with the larger programs. The fact is that Billy Donovan has 2 titles. Roy Williams has 2. Calhoun has 3. Coach K has 4. Tom Izzo is one of a dozen or so coaches who have won a national championship and he has had more than his share of talent.
The consistency with which Izzo has been a national title contender is elite, that's really all there is to it. Does Izzo have to win another title to cement his legacy? Absolutely. But let's not pretend he's underperforming with elite talent.
And neither is Beilein.
Not to mention that Kentucky and duke weekend in 05.
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Can't beat Ohio.
** yawn **
It's almost as bad as MSU's football team losing to Iowa this year at home. Almost. At least Ohio had a winning record and was considered in the top 20% of all teams in the country last year. Iowa's football team? Not so much.
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Except that was UM's best team in how long?
He means that they'll win the Pac-12 CCG as well, I think.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
About half as long as it's been since you've been to the Rose Bowl.
Are you counting teams that were erased by Ed Martin's Loan$?
Are we counting the scandal-ridden George Perles era?
Sparty out in full force tonight, cocky as ever. It's like it used to be. "wait til basketball season".
Haha. Not cocky at all, but when UM trolls prod, we're not going to ignore it forever.
Funny how UM trolls are just speaking the truth. MSU responding is 'Sparty being cocky'.
Typical UM blathering.
New thread, trying to replicate all the cat fights that made the old thread so memorable.
BTW, who's UM supposed to be playing in their bowl? LSU? Georgia? S. Car? Lots of marquee opponents available.
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