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It's absolutely cyclical. And the only reason the B10 seems "down" is that we used to be neck and neck even with the SEC before the SEC elevated its game. The BE sucks. The ACC sucks. And the B10 is as good or better than the P12 or B12. OSU and PSU, two of the best teams in the B10, are not eligible for bowl games. That's an aberration. They are still very good teams, but their absence from the national stage makes the B10 look weaker than it is. Subject to how PSU weathers its sanctions, the B10 will remain one of the top football conferences in the country right behind the SEC for the forseeable future. And when the SEC slips (and it will ... it's only a matter of time before they cycle back down), we will be right there to challenge them for the title of top football conference. We've overtaken the ACC and Big East in hoops (who saw that coming?). Football is next.
I hope you're right. I don't know how the SEC all of the sudden got to be the premier conference year in and year out, but I wouldn't mind the Big 10 usurping them as the dominant conference in the country. But damn....look at the Top 10 in the BCS Standings right now:
5 k state
9 Texas A&M
10 South Carolina
6 of the Top 10 from the SEC. That's domination like no other conference has ever seen.
The good news is, if ND, Stanford, and K State can compete up there, we all can too.
What is going to drive the B10 up and what is going to drive the SEC down?
There has to be a reason, and no one can provide me with a concrete answer why that will happen.
If anything, I see OSU fattening up on the B10 schedule and getting slaughtered by elite SEC teams in the future. I just don't think the B10 is going to come back until the region figures out a way to pipeline talent out of the south.
Yea, this year's 3rd down O is actually better than last year's, but it doesn't feel like it.
Agree on the eye test, but then again, if the O was close to serviceable, we'd be writing off those few breakdowns as "even very good D's will give up a drive or two/game". Problem was, more often than not, the margin for error was "0 drives given up/game".
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Sun belt teams loaded with sun belt talent. The south rose again - in football.
As much as I hate to say this, I don't want ND to win because I would just have to kick myself in the nuts somehow, but I do want them to keep it close to show us that its' possible. If they do get b lown out, I'll be giggling though. It'll be weird watching that game.
I don't think you necessarily have to have a pipeline out of the south. But if you don't you better get a lot of the best players out of the midwest.
I know you're not a fan of recruiting, but ND winning a NC would hurt big ten teams when it comes to recruiting imo.
Just like it was when we got that 3rd down last year, did we pick it up in the first quarter, or when we needed to on a crucial drive late, this years defense seemed to break down just wnen they needed to stand and deliver. When you lose five games, on the last drive, the last possession or in overtime, it's beyond frustrating. There is a key ingrediant missing, and we can't say it's talent. Concentration, guts, character. Whatever it is, we didn't have it. Dantonio needs to find it. On odds alone we should have won 2 of those 5 games. It would have given the season a whole different feel.
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I used to think that the BE was overrated as being the best conference in Bball. I think they did it with the sheer amount of numbers they had and ESPN being on the east coast really wanted to promote them, but once they got into the tournament during their 'up' years, they typically under achieved. Kind of like how O$U did well in teh regular season and then struggled to make it to the FF. ACC has always been good, but I think that was more about UNC and Duke, as soon as the ACC stopped promoting the other teams in their conference they started to slip. B1G has done an ok job of promoting Bball, but I think it has a couple things going for it. 1) Coaches in this conference are some of the best in the US. 2) Talent is still in the Midwest. 3) Teams can become very good with only 2 players. B1G should embrace being this good at Bball right now, its not football $$, but it is still good $$.
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I'm 51 Woodson, I don't have that much time to keep climbing those damn stadium steps. I hope you're right. We need to start by having a nice OOC victory next year by any team. That preseason this year really labled us. (probably rightfully so). Next year somebody has to do something. Then, when we go into the season we can say, we did our share of damage to the OOC teams. This year, no matter how you tip it, we looked horrible.
I think the unequal recruiting practices hurt too, referring to oversigning, not paying players as many allege. There's just no substitute to being able to gloss over recruiting misses without missing much of a beat.
I don't think the southern talent is all that much better, but with year-round football, I think southern players tend to be able to contribute faster than their northern counterparts. How many true FR tore it up in the Big 10 this year? I can't think of any off hand; can anyone help me out?
Exactly. Last time I checked, Oregon, Stanford and ND were not located in the South. OSU is not located in the South and they just had their 6th undefeated season ever. Even schools like BSU, Utah, Rutgers, Cincinnati, UConn and Louisville have had more success in the past 5-10 years than they have had anytime in their histories. FSU and Miami, the ultimate "Southern" schools, were juggernauts in the 80s and 90s. Now? Not so much. It's cyclical and much of it has to do wit coaching.
UM w RR = bad
UM w Hoke = good
ND w Weis = bad
ND w Kelly = good
FSU w Bowden = good
FSU w Fisher = bad (meh, at least)
Bama w Price = bad
Bama w Saban = good
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I think ND is benefiting from having an NFL ready LB come back and play at the college level. You can't run against that defense up the middle in the red zone because of this guy. I think he's a once a decade type of talent that comes around to a team. I don't think ND will sustain this level of success.
It seemed like freshman in the B1G showed flashes of brilliance rather than sustained success. Especially guys like Funchess and Burbridge.
Yep. I just call it the "it" factor and MSU just didn't have "it" this year. People point to the "close" W's that could have been L's, but MSU took the knee inside the Boise State 5 and Indiana 10 to close those games out. Conversely, how many of the L's did MSU need just 1 defensive stop to win it? UM, Nebraska and Iowa would all have been MSU W's if the D could have gotten 1 stop on the final drive. tOSU ran out the clock and Northwestern was up 23-20 so that's more on the O.
An entire season of gut shots. What a pain. Was talking to my ND buddy at lunch; we agreed that MSU wasn't far away, but Maxwell has to show marked improvement in the bowl game to justify much optimism for 2013. Replacing tOSU with Purdue should net one more W regardless, so 7-5 is probably next year's floor. Going to be very rough if Bell, Sims and Gholston all go.
7 of their 11 defensive starters are from the sun belt states.
YOu are prob right about that, but most of the kids that go to the pro are from the south. There's definitely more talent down there.
Why is that? I posted a Rivals study that had the high school and home state of NFL talent from the draft and the overwhelming amount of players came from the south and S. Cal.
Really? Well there you go, ND has a pipe line down to the south.
I can't help that. Eat well, get plenty of excercise and take your vitamins. Cycles take time. You have another 50 in you if you play your cards right. Besides, you're a Bama fan at heart. You're going to your third NCG in four years. You are the last person who should be whining.
It also will help Alabama even more if they win again, wont it?
Those were the 2 guys I was thinking of. At one point, Burbridge was averaging around 85 YPG and over 16 YPC. Keep that up for the 7 Big 10 games he played in and he would have been MSU's leading receiver. Alas, he kind of hit the FR wall/the other receivers asserted themselves.
Who was the last true FR Big 10 skill player to just come in and break out? Mike Hart? Beanie Wells only had 500 odd some yards as a true FR . . . . I guess James White had a 1000 yard season as a true FR . . . as far as QBs, lots of guys have had success their sophomore years, but not as true FR . . . there hasn't been a Sammie Watkins-type guy for several seasons.
That's odd too, because you figure there are a lot more guys in the 5'10 - 6'2 185-215 pound range (i.e. most skill guys) than the behemoths in the trenches, so there should be a couple of studs dotting the landscape of the Big 10. Receiving talent has been very poor the last 2 seasons in the conference. McNutt and Cunningham were the best last year, along with Jenkins, and those guys are middle-level pros at best.
He’s not that good. IMO Nix and Tuitt are better player’s. It’s not just him, ND’s whole front 7 is very good. Just the last decade Patrick Willis, and Luke Kuelchy were much better player’s at that position.
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