In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 2567
Online now 2181 Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)
We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.
Where the madness isn't just in March.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Seems like a lot of the leg injuries are lower leg injuries and the fractures have been shin/ankles. Pure speculation here, but MSU runs a lot of stretch plays, and it seems that that play lends itself to having a 300 pounder fall on you from behind, i.e., onto the lower half of your body, in practice.
The other thought is with all the leg injuries, the OL are missing time in the weight room. Not being able to strength train for 3 months sets you back quite a bit, because you have to build up to where you were before you got injured, and in that time you're not gaining strength over what you had before you were injured.
For instance, Gholston had shoulder surgery after his true FR year. It took him 6 months from the date of the surgery to get back to his bench press #s (by way of example; I know bench isn't the be-all/end all of weight training) before the surgery. How much stronger would he have been his Soph year if he wasn't injured?
Now, apply that across the MSU OL, and you have Fonoti, Treadwell, Burkland and Jackson who all have missed significant weight training time heading into '13. Kind of hard to build a punishing OL when 4 out of your top 5 OL are behind the curve in the weight room.
Again, this is just what I've observed and I'm just speculating since it's the offseason and all.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Great points all. I hope somebody in the building has that same insight. It's more then enough to raise an eyebrow.
I really hope that lower body strength is looked at long and hard. What you're saying speaks to the struggles with generating push in the run game (which I understand to be indicative of lower body strength, correct?). When they have those leg injuries, their leg strength is reduced and takes awhile to build back up. Meanwhile, their upper body strength isn't affected as much as they can still work it out while recovering from leg injuries. This could demonstrate why there seemed to be such a performance gap between pass protection and run blocking, as the pass protection relies on upper strength more, right?
Also adversely affected would be their core strength and balance.
Hopefully the OL can stay healthy during the spring so it can build up its strength better and gel much more before fall camp begins.
Right now, I would be very surprised if the OL didn't improve at all, but that doesn't mean much. The real question is the degree of improvement, which needs to be quite high if we're going to see good offensive production.
laconophilia is everywhere...
Also, do we know when Jackson and Fonoti are supposed to be back practicing and in the weight room? We really need them back as quick as possible, particularly Fonoti. I think our best OL, talent-wise, would have Fonoti and Burkland at OT, Jackson and Treadwell at OG, and Allen at C. Maybe McGowan beating out Treadwell at some point.
I also think the coaches shouldn't have the OL so fluid; it hampers their development IMO.
Come on man, give me a break here, I said I'm speculating
I think it's logically based and if dantonio is worth his weight, he needs to understand that and ask questions. If we just continue to say "well it happens" I think it will keep on happening.
Sorry, my nearly 10 year posting history on tRCMB has me assuming that 99% of all comments on this site are sarcastic
Hey after your TCU/MSU break down and dead on prediction, everybody should take note.
All joking aside, that was impressive.
ha, thanks. That was pretty hilarious, though I thought MSU would be able to use Sims more.
Passing O regressed, even against what I would say was a very good secondary and tough scheme. 50% passing would have been o.k., 55% or better would have been a sign of improvement. To be held to something like 2 yards a pass attempt? That's unfathomably bad.
Maxwell seems like a very nice kid, but he's not a QB at this level. I'd expect a pretty interesting competition this spring.
I'm more and more convinced he doesn't have "it". He has unbelievable tools. Jaw dropping in practice, but he's just not passionate enough. Classic case of bright light fright I believe, but damn he has the basics. He might be a real security blanket for us next year on the sidelines. Put the youngsters in and let em fly knowing if they get rattled we have a guy who can come in and chill everybody out for a couple series. Kind of like ND lite.
If it's down to Maxwell or Cook it seems like Cook should be the starter. The main difference between the two is poise.
Yea, that was my thought; you could just see the O perk up when Cook came in the huddle. He wasn't THAT much more successful than Maxwell, but he had confidence and that's important.
Reminds of when Hoyer came in in relief of Stanton in '06. Could see the O perk up.
No doubt that Maxwell's arm strength is fantastic and he actually did a great job at avoiding INTs (threw 9, 1 fewer than Cousins last year, despite playing a couple of games with a bum elbow and throwing more than any MSU QB not named Jeff Smoker). He just doesn't have that "we are not going to lose" mentality that Cleaves/Draymond/Cousins/the great MSU captains have had.
Defense should be outstanding once again next year; at this point I think we can count on a top 20 unit as long as Narduzzi is the DC. I'm going to roll the dice and assume that K is a wash, given Conroy's misses (9 in 13 games). I feel that every other year MSU has good return games; next year should be a plus for that area.
So can the O improve? If so, MSU can win 10 or more games. If not, I think 7 is the ceiling, with the Purdue game replacing tOSU as a W (IL for Wisky is a regular season wash, since MSU beat Wisky the last 2 years; just talking in terms of record. Team should be healthier next year because of the double bye and 2 much less physical opponents in PUR and IL instead of tOSU and Wisky).
I think Michigan will be good next year; 8-10 Ws. Nebraska is in the same class. Northwestern is probably 7-9 W's; they drop PSU and IU and get to play tOSU at home and @Wisky in their first 2 Big 10 games. Playing IL every year helps a ton.
In the Leaders, tOSU will probably go 11-1 or so; it's extremely hard to rattle of 24 straight regular season wins. On the "plus" side, MSU and Nebraska drop off the schedule & Wisky is in transition. Crazy as it sounds, I think IU may have the best chance to knock off tOSU in a Leaders game. Still, I'd be surprised if another Leaders team finished better than 8-4.
I'm so tired of Michigan State fans and all their Denard bashing. Yes, Denard didn't win that many games while he as was at Michigan. That's not the reason he's adored by our fans. He's adored because he is the reason we won even the games we did. He was the one bright spot in the most miserable era of Michigan football ever. He gave us a reason to get excited about our games. He was the most electrifying player we'll ever see wear a Michigan uniform. It blows my mind that people can't seem to wrap their head around this. In every game, against every team, the entire focus on defense was stopping Denard. Despite this simple fact, he broke the all-time rushing record for a quarterback. Imagine where Michigan would have been without him.
If you can't see the greatness then you're a fool.
Ok? I like the kid as a person and think he'll have a nice NFL career as a PR/KR/slot receiver. He was always humble and represented Michigan well.
He also struggled against good teams and was largely ineffective as a passer. There's no denying that he was an electrifying open field runner, but one who largely struggled against the better rush D's on the schedule (didn't hit 5 YPC vs. Bama, ND, MSU, Nebraska and S. Car, had 1/4 of his yards in 2 games vs. Umass and Purdue).
He was a very good college player. I don't know if I'd go so far to call him "great".
Looking over UM's stats, very surprised to see no RBs with more than 4.6 YPC this year (Hayes, with 18 total carries). Going to be hard to replace Denard's rushing.
Questions for UM fans: What do you think your offense will look like next season? How much competition will Gardner face for the QB job?
Sometimes, a player like Denard also becomes the biggest focus of his own coaching staff. It takes away from a balanced attack, and it gives them a myopic view of what could be done with the team. Had the staff at Michigan seen the possibility of Gardner at QB, (though he's not all conference by any stretch) and Denard as a tailback/flanker, I wonder how good that team could have been?
The fact that so many people openly talk about Michigan changing the looks of their offense next years tells me that perhaps a very professional staff let themselves be button holed into catering to one player. While that player was, as you have said, electrifying, was that the best for the team? We'll never know. He was fun to watch though.
To be fair, he broke the record lining up as RB. Not sure how the NCAA can even count those as QB yards.
Denard was electric, but struggled against good opponents for the most part. If Gardner started at the beginning of last season, and Denard was slot/RB like we saw yesterday, UM would probably be close or slightly better than their 19-7 record over the two Hoke years.
He was an electric player, but still finished 2-4 as a starter against OSU and MSU and had 0 Titles
Save yourself the aggravation. Enjoy him for who he was and how he represented Michigan.
1) mostly, if not 100% pro style
2) none, I hope. Sugar Shane NEEDS to redshirt. Lack of qb depth is very scary. If you happened to catch us vs braska, u already know
I saw you guys run a lot of "spread" looks with Gardner (shotgun, designed runs, rollouts, etc.). But I also saw a lot of power formation stuff. When not running gadget plays with Robinson, I'd say UM looked like Northwestern some of the time and like Wisconsin at other times. How do you think it'll look next year? More of the same or a different balance?
We'd like to look more like Stanford/Alabama/Wisconsin. But it's not just a matter of having the right QB. You need the other pieces too. When RR was fired, we had few if any elite WRs, TEs, FBs and RBs on the roster. And we were dangerously thin at OL. We signed a bunch of talented players in 2012 and are on track to do the same in 2013, but those players are young and need time to develop. IMO it will take until at least 2014 to be fully transitioned.
It looked like Cook wasn't afraid to make the big pass, unlike maxwell who would check down to his 3rd or 4th option to stay safe and rarely get the first down.
I honestly believe that Kalis/Bryant would have started over Barnum at LG this year if it weren't for Bryant's injury and or the staff wanting to RS Kalis. Even if Lewan leaves I predict our run-blocking to be much better next year. Our pass blocking will stay about the same.
Lose 4/5 of your OL and improve in your run-blocking? Must be nice to have
Our defense next year should again be very good, but it's hard to predict our offense. OL is a major open question considering the expected turnover and so is WR. If Darboh and Chesson step up, we could be very good at WR. If not, we will have many of the same issues we saw in yesterday's game (lack of a downfield threat enables defenses to play more in the box). And we need a RB and a FB to step up big time (will Fitz even be 100%?). I'm optimistic, but there are far too many moving pieces to really have a high degree of confidence. We probably won't know what we have on offense until at least the ND game.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 15 months ago
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports