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What? Why wouldn't Borges be better in year 2. He can see what worked from last year and what didn't and base his offense around what worked. Not to mention Denard should be more comfortable with Borges as well so Denard should improve.
You love using that 1-2 stat against teams with winning records even though in doing so you're excluding both our Notre Dame win and the Virginia Tech win. Outside of Wisconsin, who did we miss that makes it such an easy schedule to help our defense? Penn State? Indiana? I'm sorry but the difference in schedule between last year and this year doesn't add up to our improvement. Here's some stats for you.
Points per game:34 down to 17
Yards per game:450 down to 322
Yards per game in the B1G:417 down to 300
Yards per game against ranked:514 down to 323
Yards per game against teams with a winning record:479 down to 329
More fun stats for 2011
Yards per game allowed against ranked teams vs unranked teams:323 vs 321
Points per game allowed against ranked teams vs unranked teams:21 vs 16
Those stats sure sound like it was all the easy schedule.
Michigan attracts better recruits that can thus play earlier. MSU can only get left over recruits and thus has to redshirt them and keep them on the sidelines longer.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I assume all the stats listed are the defensive improvements UM had.. OK, UM's D improved..
And yes, I like to use that 1-2 record because it shows UM really was fortunate in their games, not just by who they missed, but where they played..
Would love for you to argue that ND, Neb, OSU at home, no Wisky is the same as @ND, @Neb, @OSU and Wisky twice.
UM was fortunate enough to get most of their tough games at home, not to mention they struggled on the road (0-2 vs only two decent road teams it faced).
We can surely bring up the VT game, but didn't know if you wanted to include a 180 total yard and 12 First Downs performance vs the 2nd best team from the 6th best conference that finished ranked outside the top 20 in the AP poll.
That's not entirely true. Our RBs had 10 total carries in the whole game. 4 of those came on the first drive for 42 yards and that drive resulted in a Michigan TD. Borges abandoned the RBs after that for some reason.
Pretty sure most true frosh struggle at OL/DL, etc.. not just the ones that MSU gets..
You don't see Bama starting true frosh, do you?
very weak attempt at a jab at MSU's recruiting
MSU has proven it can replace LBs. It did that last year. It was probably the one area on the team they had hig ranking recruits and they stepped up when Jones and co. left. When else has Dantonio, reloaded? Can he do it in areas without high-ranked backups? How about on offense? (RichRod could replace Offensive guys, but not defensive ones).
Every team in a power conference with mid-level recruiting has trouble replacing some spots on the field and has some rebuilding years (or .500 years), but not Dantonio? even in a year he loses all his offensive skill players he is going to do better than Wisco or Iowa in the same situation? Those two teams recruit similarly, have coaches who proven themselves winners longer than 2 years and they STILL have 7-6 years....but Dantonio and company really know defense, so they won't take a significant step back when replacing their QB. Right.
Except we went 3-0 in the games you listed while you went 2-3. And two of the games you lost were total buttkickings. Anyone can play a tough opponent on the road and get curb stomped. That doesn't prove you are a good team.
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For the most part, since Dantonio has been at MSU, the WR crew hasn't really taken a step back or been below average outside the one year Ringer got 30 carries a game..
Wisky also has had one season below 9-3 over the last 7 years..
During Lloyd's last 7 years at UM (I know, I know.. RR years don't count).. UM's had two seasons below 9-3..
So don't act like the Wiskys and Iowas and MSU's are the only teams that go through any type of a downturn and UM is immune to it..
That proves my point..
Most teams are better at home and UM was fortunate to have most of their tougher games at home and also were fortunate to not play Wisconsin, let alone twice..
That would be like saying that you expect UM to go 3-0 in those games again this year, when obviously that won't be the case because teams, for the most part, don't play as well on the road as they do at home..
Actually, they do. Trey DePriest and Cyrus Kouandjio both started for Bama last year.
I think you are proving his point about Michigan playing at home vs MSU this year. And if not, well that is the point I have made several times.
Home field is def. a big reason why this game should be close this season, not sure anyone is denying that..
Was simply pointing out that UM's 11 wins could be somewhat a product of who they played and where
I'd argue the secondary as well; 2 2nd team All Big 10 performers left in 2010 in CLR and Marcus Hyde, and they were replaced by a pair of true sophs who earned 2nd team (Lewis) and Hon. Mention (Dennard) all Big 10.
WR has been a pretty solid position too; Thomas to White to Cunningham.
QB has been good so far as well, in Hoyer to Cousins.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
UM played Nebraska, Notre Dame and tOSU on the road last year?
How can UM be immune to it? Transition years are what we have experienced the most recently. MSU has to transition to a new QB this year (and new skill O players). It will not be easy by any stretch of the imagination.
I never claimed UM was immune to 8 win years. I think if we had Loyd coming back in the same situation Dantonio is in, it would probably be about an 8 win year. But, Spartan fans think they will win the B10....based almost solely on Dantonio's 2 year resume. It's laughable. He is a good coach. Not a miracle worker.
OK, neither actually started.. but both played..
Trey DePriest, outside the mop up duty vs Kent State to open the year, only had 15 tackles in 12 games
Cyrus Kouandjio was a reserve in 2011 and didn't start
The point being, just about all true frosh, outside maybe the top 10 guys (and most of those will be skill position players) are not going to come in and start right away, esp. on either line, so to think Bolden or Pipkins or Kalis is going to come in and make an impact right away is mistaken.
Who's tOSU? I know a team called Ohio.
Trey DePriest did not start for Bama last year .
No, it does not prove your point. It proves you got curb stomped by two good but far from great ND and Nebraska teams on the road last year. It says nothing about us. We took care of those two at home last year (Nebraska quite easily) and we will get a crack at them this year on the road. The early Vegas lines on those games are all very tight, so at least some objective onlookers believe we have a chance to win. And, unlike Sparty, I highly doubt we get curb stomped by either.
You don't think that applies to MSU?
Youngstown - FCS School
Indiana and FAU - I win each
Minnesota and Central Michigan - 3 wins each
Northwestern and OSU - 6-7 teams
Iowa - 7-6
Michigan and Wisconsin both at Spartan Stadium
So, 5 of MSU's 11 wins came against teams that had 3 wins or less or is a FCS school
MSU's 3 road wins were against teams that were below or just above .500.
2 good wins at home.
You realize that after losing to the Ohio Bobcats in the NCAA tournament, it looks pretty dumb to continue to call tOSU "Ohio".
Not the first year for Kirk. MSU finished 6-7 that year.
Kouandjio started the first 6 games. It's right on the Bama web site.
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