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I don't think MSU winning the MSU/UM game will do much to change the affiliation of non-alums very much. I assume that local fans like to support winner and if both teams are winning, then there may be a rare few who side with MSU because of the outcome of a rivalry game. BUT, I THINK most non-alum fans root for the most prestigious team nationally (if both are winning a lot otherwise). I assume it is something bigger and more well-known when they travel that they want to associate with. UM has a recent NC and some other games that are national in scope (Rose Bowl, BCS Bowl, maybe even the OSU game). MSU would have to start to make a name for themselves on the national stage to really sway young unaffiliated kids to become proud Spartan fans. I assume the main point of picking a team is to associate with something bigger and more important...not to go with someone who wins a rivalry game.
True, that's the trend I was getting at. MSU needs to keep being better than UM on the national scale as well as beating them.
Yep. And as of late some people say " I'm a Michigan fan in football and an MSU fan in basketball. Those people are on the bottom of my list. Pick a side damn it. However, I agree Michigan football has the brand name and the casual fan will pick that. Dantonio will have a good five to six years of work yet to start changing that.
And do you have any data to say that that trend would not continue?
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
Agreed, I can never take those people seriously, no matter how knowledgeable they are.
Meh. Those people usually tend not to be huge sports fans and only follow a team if it's winning. I don't really give them much thought.
My favorite party store has an owner whose son wears a Michigan cap all fall, he wears an MSU cap right around January. I always ask him what's up with the lid change. He says "change of season". They're out there, I don't know how they can do it. But they're out there.
It's not really hard to understand. They just aren't emotionally attached to either school.
He's saying what RichRod did doesn't matter because he's gone.
No. He is saying what RichRod did doesn't matter as far as the current team goes. Not as far as the program and rivalry history goes.
He said "not relevant to the current program but dantonio is still there". He was basically saying Mississippi State game can't be used against you because Rich Rod isn't there, but Alabama can be used against us because Dantonio is there, but in both cases neither has the same team they did in 2010.
And how does that mean that he is basically saying "that its MSU:1 , UM: 0"?
so he thinks your current staffs history is relelvant. Shocking. He still didn't say Rich Rod doesn't count at all.
because he's saying former coaching staffs aren't relavant. so with the current coaching staff its 1-0.
Aren't relevant to future results. Doesn't mean he is saying it's 1-0.
He did not say that as far as history goes. He is talking about current teams.
we weren't talking about future results, we were talking about the Mississippi State game
Do you know what relevant means? It implies that it's results still matter today in determining opinion or guessing future results.
Well the Miss. State game has nothing to do with the current team. Does it count as a blowout loss in a bowl game? Absolutely. Does it mean anything for next years team? Nope.
And it was only brought up because someone brought up Alabama in 2010. Does it count as a blowout loss? Yes. Does it mean anything? Nope.
Neither does 1990s football for the MSU-UM series. Hoke is 0-1 against Dantonio, that's the only relevant thing.
I would disagree. 2010 was one of Dantonio's best MSU teams and he couldn't compete with a very good Alabama team. That gives me question as to whether or not Dantonio can ever put a team on the field that can compete with the best nationally.
I mean, yeah 2010 was his 2nd best team, 2011 was better though
Doesn't change the validity of his post. It still remains unknown as to whether or not Dantonio's best team could have beaten the nation's elite.
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