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Caleb wasn't rated initially on 3/19/12 by Rivals, he was a 3* to Scout and 247.
Almost a week later he was rated as a 3* by Rivals, on 3/25/12.
Just simply responding to "QB is the most important and most complicated position on the field and having a first year starting QB is always dicey. "
It's not ALWAYS dicey..
OK- and before March?
And I was going off Rivals- ie when he first committed to MSU, he wasn't rated..
At some pt I'm sure he was moved to a 3 star as you've highlighted and I'm sure he'll be a 4star before next Feb..
This is why we can't have nice things.
Joel Foreman played LT last year? At least TRY to get your facts straight. Yahoo rates MSU's OTs as the best OT duo in the conference, so it'll be news to them that Dan France isn't returning at LT.
FWIW, they also rate State as having the best C/G duo in the conference as well.
Oh, and the best DEs. And best CBs.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 21 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Again signed the last 3 national champs with top 5 talent surrounding that 1st year starting QB. MSU does not have this!
You were saying he received his bumps when the Bama, Texas... Offers came in. I showed that he was rated a 3* by 2 of the sites before committing to MSU, and received a 3* a week after committing to MSU. All of that was before your claims of getting a bump because of the other offers.
He may get a bump, I read he held his own against a 5* kid at a camp in Texas.
Ok, it was RT or some other position on your OL. The basic point stands and you know it. Gimmee a break.
Never said they did..
The OP said UM fans know that having a 1st year QB is ALWAYS dicey..
Was just showing him that teams have made it work..
And by that logic, one can assume we'll see UM take a major dip considering Denard accounts for, what, 80% of UM's offense?
No. It's very easy to say that RR wouldn't have done just as well. It's all about the D. RR's record may have improved but his D got worse every year. His offense wasn't going to be much better in year 4 than it was in year 3 and there is no reason to believe the D was going to be any better.
He played LG.. and is being replaced by Treadwell, who started on the MSU OL in 2011 before getting injured..
think the MSU OL will be just fine..
Last time I checked, Denard will be back this year.
I don't think he was rated before the MSU offer, but I'll defer to your knowledge, it is very informed about these things. I don't like to predict, but I bet he goes up to a four star. And I'm wondering why.
Your OL wasn't "just fine" last year before you lost your best OLman. It stunk.
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At least TRY to get some of your facts right.
Think his O would have absolutely been better.. UM would have put up 40 ppg..
and sure, the D wouldn't have improved that much- but even if Robinson was canned, say the D improves to 70th overall in the country.. that still gets UM 9 wins with that offense and that schedule..
RR probably still loses to MSU, OSU and Iowa.. but see no reason why he wouldn't have beaten the rest..
2nd in the B1G is fewest sacks allowed..
the run blocking was suspect.. but MSU turned it around the latter half of the year (200+ vs UM, average of 170 rush yards L4 B1G games).. now 4/5 back and replacing the other with a starter- yaah- MSU OL will be just fine
It was LG .
this is my favorite. Sparty trying to diminish Hoke's first year success by claiming RR would have done as well last year.
Thanks for the laugh.
And here we go again; pass-blocking gets no love, run-blocking is everything, low sacks were due to a SR QB, not because the OL was any good, no mention of Foreman being so banged up that he had to walk with cane before gamedays . . . but yea, he was the best OL last season and MSU is going to be terrible in the trenches. Yeesh.
Suspect? It was near bottom in the league? So does that mean Bell is just a much worse RB than we think, because to hear you guys talk about him you would think he's a lock tor All American? How does a team with a great passing game, a great RB and a great OL stink so bad at moving the football on the ground?
This post was edited by MrWoodson 21 months ago
Let's take an in depth look at the UM DL.
I will start with Mike Martin. He had 64 tacks, 6 TFL and 3.5 sacks. He is being replaced by Will Campbell. Campbell had 14 tacks, 2.5 TFL and 2 sacks. Now let's keep in mind that Campbell played much less than Mike Martin. So, one could easily see Campbell coming close to Martin's prodcution levels assuming he plays as many downs as Martin last year. Especially in the TFL and sacks catergory. The real question is can he get low and clog up the middle for others to make plays. But it's not much of a stretch to really think that Campbell will replace a lot of the production that Martin provided last year.
Will Heininger. 23 tackles, 4 tfl and 1 sack. Not a lot of production to make up. Jabril Black almost matched that last year. I would be willing to bet that if he starts all year Black will surpass those numbers.
RVB. 45 tackles. 12.5 tfl 5.5 sacks. Now this is our biggest question in if Beyer and Clark can match or come close to those numbers. The sack total isn't that large and they could come close to that. I would guess they won't hit the TFL mark though.
Craig Roh is back. He had solid year last year. 32 tackles, 8 tfl, 4 sacks. Any improvement from him and that just means the other 3 don't have as much production to make up to equal the level of last years DL.
Our DL was solid last year but nobody put up crazy numbers that need to be matched this year. You are acting like there isn't talent that will be playing on Michigan's DL this year.
It's no different than you guys talking about Toussaint having a big year. He had about 100 more yards than Bell and 4 fewer TDs. Neither was a starter til mid-way through the season. Both should see a nice rise in their #s this year.
Is it that hard to believe?
You saw an improvement in W's every year during RR.. he had Denard and like 17 other starters back + 8 home games
What games would he have lost? He owned ND, so that's a win.. probably still loses to Iowa, MSU, OSU..
Think Neb at home would have been swing game..
But going from 7-5 Reg season to 9-3 Reg season with that schedule and so many starters back- why is that so far fetched to believe?
No, I'm acting like none of those guys have proven much, if anything. If you think 64 tackles is easy to make up from the NT spot, then MSU should have no problem replacing it's NT production from last year. DL make an impact by allowing your LBs to make plays. Can Black and Campbell tie up blockers like Martin and RVB? Can Beyer/Clark/Roh get consistent pressure from the outside, not only on the QB, but containing opposing RBs?
NT's don't make a ton of "stat" plays, which is why MM's #s were notable.
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