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Coaching part was for Ryan, I believe.
I didn't bother looking up when he committed. I was just reiterating what Marcus Ray said on the radio show.
My mistake. But it doesn't change the fact that he was a MAC level recruit and is now our best defender.
I'm not going to go back and find it, but I believe I recall you speaking about how you wouldn't be frequenting this thread after the game regardless of who won, because you would be annoyed by the trolls.
1. Feel free to not be a liar.
2. If you must stay, at least acknowledge the irony of the above. Also, troll with some skill. Notice I haven't called out Klima nor Woodson.
laconophilia is everywhere...
Remember how you chastised me for my "pathetic" posts the day after the game.
I think he was a rr guy. I also think you guys have to stop comparing yourself to Dantonio and what he's done at MSU. It's a different dynamic at um and you have a good staff. First step is to get and keep Dantonio out of your head.
1. It was a Spartan fan that talked about not coming in after the game and I stated, "xxmgobluexx said... Also, don't bail like that. What would you think of Michigan fans if they bailed on the thread through the tough times also? Fair weather fans?"
The only time I mentioned not being in this thread was when I said how I could understand someone avoiding it during rivalry week, going off of how bad it was last year, this year was tame in comparison. "xxmgobluexx said... Alright, you mentioned staying out until Basketball season in the post I quoted. That is why I said that. Staying out during rivalry week is understandable, it may get ugly."
2. I you in.
It's why recruiting rankings don't mean squat. Recruiting is important, rankings aren't.
And I wouldn't take what Marcus Ray says as gospel. Just my opinion.
This post was edited by DWags 21 months ago
The first step is realizing the hypocrisy on this board.
I simply made a comment about a kid who was being discussed on the radio show I was listening to this morning. I wasn't aware that he was a 2/3* kid with only 4 MAC offers. I think it's interesting and noteworthy. If you think that's "Dantonio in my head", then that's on you. Not me.
Jake Ryan will be an All American before he leaves Michigan and very possibly a first round draft pick. What sets him apart is his speed and relentlessness. No way should a guy that big move so well and run so fast.
To be fair, I think that was before Nebraska joined the B10 and was put in our division.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 21 months ago
Don't troll my friend if you can't take it in return.
In all honesty though, I do find it hilarious that you think MSU putting the trophy in the lockerroom was some sort of cheap shot. The funniest part? MSU didn't put it in the lockerroom. UM's staff did. MSU gave them the statue in the stadium tunnel, where the UM staff easily could have taken it out onto the field. They chose not to because UM hasn't historically brought the trophy out onto the field. In fact, I believe that tradition is only 5 years old, which would explain the confusion on UM's part of what exactly they should do.
MSU went into the lockerroom, got the trophy, and brought it back onto the field. If UM has a problem doing the same, that's not MSU's problem
I am not trying to be a pain. Sorry.
The thing is that guys like Jake slip through sometimes. He only came on board in RR's last class when I think he realized he needed to get Ohio and other miswestern kids who understtod the importance of B10 games a little differently.
There is no question Ryan and the entire defense would have still continued to be horrible under the previous situation.
I already told you I don't GAF about that dumb trophy, and that my post was a troll. I get a sense that some of you guys seem to have slightly thinner skin the last few days.
It's all good. Lighten up Francis. Soften up Wisconsin this week, then beat Nebraska next.
Obviously recruiting means a lot. Rankings are an imperfect way to determine that, but when coupled with the quality of the offer sheet, it is a pretty good guide to the talent level on your team. It is much more accurate than you "just loving" the guys your team gets.
The talk of absolutes about recruiting had me thinking about something Valenti said yesterday on the radio. He said that Michigan fans claiming future dominance in the B10 were mistaken because recruiting rankings are not that important (he did admit they mattered to a degree).
Then, 2 minutes later he argued Michigan would never be nationally powerful (win NCs) because they don't cheat and he thinks that is required to win (Auburn, Oregon, etc.). He cited OSU having a "mafia" in C-Bus that made them successful nationally and got them into BCS Champ games. OSU had to cheat to be a national power. But, how did OSU cheat? How did Auburn and Oregon allegedly cheat? They paid players.
The only way that gives you an advantage on the field is because it helps you recruit better players (who chose you over teams that make them live like a college student).
So, OSU was great because it cheated....at recruiting. Auburn too. And USC. But..... Michigan won't be a national power because recruiting doesn't mean everything. How dumb is that hypocrysy.
The fact is that Michigan and OSU are recruiting on the level that OSU recruited at in the 2000s. This is top 5 not top 25 stuff. Michigan always did well, but you have to look back to the pre-Carr swan song years to see such a high level of talent.
Considering that OSU and UM are bringing in another level of talent and both teams have a high level of coaching (Meyer and Hoke has built a lot out of spread and 3-3-5 guys),....well the road to the Rose Bowl will go through Ann Arbor and Columbus in the foreseeable future (not saying that no one else can win, just that they have to go through those schools to get there).
That has not been the case the last 5 years (with RR and Fickell) and the pumped-up recruiting is going to kick in soon (next two years).
This post was edited by Peterklima 21 months ago
All we can do is wait and see about the future in our league. And I would take everything valenti says with a grain of salt. He had izzo burried and gone one year in December and we ended up in the final four. He does things for ratings.
1. I see what you did there.
2. I didn't see that you said you were trolling, my bad.
3. I don't have thinner skin, some of you are just being extra irritating, which is fine, now is your time to gloat.
4. If you ever call me Francis again, I will carve you up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Hey! I give a fuck about that dumb trophy!
Then why bring MD up in your original post? Jake Ryan is a great player who has done a tremendous amount of growing while at Michigan. Credit to him and the staff. Who cares what MD gets credit for at MSU?
Agreed. Speculating about the future is fun though. I stand by what I said, but think of the variables that could affect it:
1. Mattison retires
2. Meyer can't cut it back in the fast lane.
3. MSU hires a top notch recruiter and/or OC.
4. Narduzzi leaves to be a HC.
5. The B10's overall recruiting goes up as the conference rises back up.
6. A star QB recuit pans out...or doesn't.
7. Someone gets busted and put on probabtion.
8. The B10 adds another power team.
9. This thread becomes reasonable.
I'm pretty sure you genuinely don't understand the difference between 'recruiting' and 'recruiting rankings'.
Guys, I'm worried about Peter.
I stopped reading after number 9.
This is what I said right up front: "Obviously recruiting means a lot. Rankings are an imperfect way to determine that,"
What are you thinking about? Recruiting is bringing players in and rankings are one way to quantify the level of talent your brought in (although necessarily imperfect as I mention). It is , by far, the best way of assessing recruiting that we have.
USC cheated to get better players. They (and other programs that pay kids) had top classes. Their recruiting AND their recruiting rankings improved because of cheating (because they are related facts).
I don't know if you realize this but there's been guys on the RCMB who are now saying MSU didn't have the trophy and refused to shake hands. One has added that his mom got coke dumped on her head by a Spartan. I'm assuming the liquid kind. I believe they're escapies from mgoblog but who knows. If you were the one who started the troll of the trophy and hand shake that was well done. Some fringe uofm guys have took the cheese. Well done.
Peter's right. The SEC has been the best conference over the past 6+ years for two reasons. One, they have the best coaches. Two, they recruit better (primarily on defense). One or two teams in each of the B10, P12, ACC and B12 seem to have caught up, but as conferences top to bottom the SEC pays coaches more (especially assistants) and recruits better. And the two factors are related. Coaching in CFB includes evaluating HS talent and recruiting. The best CFB coaches are also good at recruiting.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson 21 months ago
I worry about Meyer. During tight spots he bends over on the sideline like he's in pain. I don't see him staying long. Mooch makes a million a year as analyst and says he won't go back to the pressure cooker.
Narduzzi leaves we get phil Parker from Iowa. Few things I'm more sure of in life is Parker coming as DC at MSU and becoming head coach in 6-7 years. Just watch.
Matison Is retired. It's a job he loves he's by the grand kids. He's not in the high stakes NFL. Life is good for at least five more years for him.
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