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Caught up? Who in our league has caught up to the sec? Our best vs their best is at least three scores different.
The most recent B10 team to have the talent/coach combo to match the SEC was Ohio State. They failed in the NC games, but they belonged on the same stage.
Michigan is now getting to that point and OSU too. Top 10 classes combined with top coaches = national success. We will have to wait a bit for the melding of those two (coaches and recruits) at UM and OSU before we have national teams again.
Projecting the pitching rotation for the WS:
10/24 - game 1 JV
10/25 - game 2 Scherzer
10/26 - TRAVEL DAY
10/27 - game 3 Fister
10/28 - game 4 JV (again)
10/29 - game 5 Sanchez
10/30 - TRAVEL DAY
10/31 - game 6 Scherzer
11/1 - game 7 JV (again)
Banking on JV to go games 1, 4 and 7. I'm terrified of having our pitchers bat, and feel like this is a HUGE advantage for the Giants. We need to win the first one and then get the job done back in Detroit.
I'm predicting a very low scoring, defensive series.
We'll see. I think four true freshman scored for Bama last week. We can dream I guess.
I'm talking about current recruiting. If you look at UM and OSU's classes in 2012 and 2013, they are right in the mix with the best SEC teams. You can argue about whether they're still behind Alabama, but it's close enough to be competitive on the field in a few years assuming that level of recruiting continues. The problem is that the list of top 25 recruiting classes is dominated by SEC teams every year. The B10 might have 2-3 teams on that list while the SEC has 8-10. If the B10 wants to compete with the SEC as a conference, more B10 schools are going to have to open the checkbook and hire better coaches/recruiters and start pulling top 25 classes on a regular basis.
Per 247, the # of schools with currently top 25 classes (2013) by conference is as follows:
And here are the numbers for 2012:
Edit: FWIW I think 247 rankings are slightly biased in favor of the SEC, but even if you look on Rivals or Scout or ESPN you will find SEC teams dominating the rankings as a conference albeit to a slightly lesser degree.
This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by MrWoodson 18 months ago
Yes, they got the players that they wanted, but you are errant in assuming that the reasons they wanted those players were directly associated with those players' recruiting rankings.
Would I rather get all 5* players instead of all 3* players if those players have to be chosen randomly? Absolutely.
The thing is, however, that these players are not chosen randomly. The coaches search out and find the players they want.
To assume that statistics will prevail every time and no team will win a title without a top 10 class is to ignore the statistical likelihood that there are several coaches who are simply better at evaluating the talent that all coaches pursue. Yes, some coaches are identified as being able to spot talent, such as Nick Saban. But that wasn't overnight. There was a point in time when Nick Saban could identify great talent but the ratings may not have reflected that. I don't know that I necessarily feel this way, but who is to argue that Dantonio isn't that 'rising star' in the talent evaluation world? He tells some kids when he offers them that they will likely be getting some extra attention in the near future, maybe even some new offers, and he's right.
It might be the best way of assessing recruiting that we, the lay people, have. But the best chance most of us have at identifying good talent is to instead identify the coaches that recognize that talent. I would say that, so far, I believe both Hoke and Dantonio are in this group. Yours may have 4* or 5* next to his name, but there's not a chance in hell I'd trade Damion Terry for Sugar Shane.
laconophilia is everywhere...
ESPN just released the first 4:
That, or it actually happened. A couple players DID run to your sideline, expecting to take the trophy. Even they said in their post-game press conferences that "hell, I didn't know it wouldn't be there. It was our first time beating State so I didn't know". (That's a quote for all Spartans to cherish for a long while)
And you already know my take on the early exit of some players. Rehashing it is pointless. I will say that people DO get their facts messed up. Yesterday Terry Foster insisted that Michigan fans rushed the field right after the game ended, rather than after it was announced that it was win 900. Well, lo and behold, there's video evidence from a guy right on the field that definitely PROVES that nobody rushed the field until AFTER the announcement was made and even AFTER the players lead the student section in The Victors. Hell, the players were heading back to the lockerrom before kids started to trickle on the field.
Sometimes your mind's eye just doesn't see what really happened. Unfortunately for Foster, there's clear evidence that he was dead wrong.
Also, for those of you who believe that MGoBlog is nothing but a bunch of Hoke/Denar/Bo jock sniffers, you'll like the front page post about Borges' offensive "scheme" versus MSU. It's quite critical.
Man, I'm so tired of hearing about recruiting. I'm far more excited about Hoke and company developing players like Raymond Taylor, Brendan Gibbons, and Desmond Morgan. I'm more excited about the fact they've they've turned positional groups that should be a weakness (our lines) into a strength. I'm more excited about the competition that's developed all over the field since they got here. We're seeing actual improvements from individuals on a week to week basis. I think that's the kind of stuff that bodes well for our future as a program. I wish these were the arguments people used rather than how many stars we've collected.
Amen. I couldn't agree more.
This is a recruiting website. More than half of the official content is devoted to recruiting. It's an odd place for someone to spend time if they don't want to hear about recruiting.
I like recruiting in the proper context. I just don't like it being the barometer for future success. It reminds me of people who follow the drafting in hockey religiously. They make up lines with all these players who haven't played a single meaningful game. Then, after they're done, they'll say that this imaginary team has a bright future.
That's what most of these recruiting arguments remind me of.
It is a barometer of future success, whether you like it or not. A major barometer. There is a reason I'm not in the NFL and it's not because I wasn't coached up enough. Talent matters. It matters a lot.
Yes it does.
If coaching is on par with each other, give me the more talented kids. All kids maybe on scholarship, but if I had my choice of scholarship kids, give me the Bama, USCw, LSU, Texas... Over the scholarships kids from EMU, Buffalo, FIU, Florida Atlantic...
I do not get the draw to following recruiting. It's a complete bore to me.
I'm far more interested in Payne, Dawson, Appling, Nix and what they do this year at State than I am over the recruitment of Jabai Parker.
Until they put on the green and white I really don't care much.
I am more interested in the now, but I don't turn a blind eye to the future either. I pay attention to both.
Probably explains why you get to a Rose Bowl once every quarter century.
Recruiting is a great barometer. You certainly need those kids that you don't need a scouting report to see they would belong on your team. Just the eye test where I'm assuming all five star and most four stars are. Some four and a few five stars miss but for the most part you know where your base is. Unfortunately,youll never field a team with players where you didn't have to scout any of them or debate with staff whether to give out a scholarship. Maybe Kentucky can do it in basketball. Every team will need the Kovacs, ryans, cousins, Bells, etc etc. Maybe USC or Bama but every team will have to develop 2 &3 stars to make their team complete and
good. Some schools like MSU will have to find more diamonds in the rough than elite
Schools That's where scouting and evals come in. The staffs that can do that best are at a premium. If you think any college team can fill their starting lineup out with super star can't miss 4&5's, you're either nuts or Alabama.
Even Alabama has lower rated prospects who outperform higher ones. That's not unique to non-elite programs. And my point was not that recruiting rankings are perfect. It was that recruiting matters and recruiting rankings are predictive when looked at over large numbers (i.e. hundreds) of prospects. And the B10, as a conference, is never going to regain competitiveness with the SEC, as a conference, if the best we can muster year in and year out is two schools pulling top 25 classes. You guys love to go on and on about what great coaches Dantoni and Narduzzi are. Think of what they could do with better talent. The same applies to Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, NW and Minnesota. All have good coaching staffs, but are lacking in elite talent. And I am not saying you need to recruit at Alabama's level, but you should at least consistently come in ahead of Vanderbilt and Ole Miss.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 18 months ago
We could all start cheating like OSU always did. That woudl help. I bet our kids like tattoos and free cars too.
I agree Steve, it's kind of creepy. Beyond that I remember when Paul Davis was going to win us like 2 or 3 NC's in bball. And then that other kid was, the 7 foot kid from Flint who ended up having anxiety attacks. I could care less about who the Spartans are after. Let me know when they sign and how they're developing. I know the recruiting process. It's not easy, it's demanding of the coaches, and it sells magazines. It's a huge business. Just let me see teh kid in Green and White and figure out how he's going to do first.
There's currently that Jabari kid that the RCMB is almost sexually excited over. I could care less about him, unless and until he signs. Then, I'd like to see him you know, make a layup in a game for us, or get a rebound. Till then, I'll just watch the guys we have. More interesting.
The RCMB is currently trying to get Roushar and the entire offensive staff fired. Even starting a website firedanroushar.org. They're collectively still wacked in the head. Just like 99 percent of mgobloggers. (well I don't know 99%, both sites have way over 50% of posters who are just plain wacked in the head)
That's what makes it funny sometimes I guess, but if you go to either site and come away angry, it's you that has the problem. If you realize they're just a bunch of way over dramatic big chip on their shoulders homers who live so vicariously through the university they cheer for, you come away from it kind of entertained, kind of shaking your head, kind of feeling dirty.
I bet you 50 dollars I could go on the RCMB use a couple of f bombs in regard to hoke matison, denard and get 50 responses with at least 35 up votes. One of the regulars here started a thread about Denard and how great of a kid he was. He was lambasted in the thread by a ton of people.
Kid doesn't trash talk, kid plays hurt, kid hung with his universtiy that he could have left for any school, is going to finish as a top ten player in big ten history Say that over there and you'll get beat up by 50% or more of the people on the RCMB.
Cousins was made fun of on the mgoblog. Why? Beacause he went to MSU. It is what it is on those sites.
This post was edited by DWags 18 months ago
If you guys can't outrecruit Vanderbilt without cheating, you might as well just hang up the cleats.
Looks like MSU leads for Caleb Henderson.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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