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OL coaching gets heat from most of the MSU posters ITT, but we're the minority.
I think a healthy Sims + Burbridge, Mumphery and Fowler (much much better when he's not going up against the #1 DB) has the makings of a strong passing offense . . . for next season. I think you should see progress after the bye week (Sims' ankle wont' be 100% till then).
Ultimately the margin for error on O this year was very thin and MSU fell on the wrong side of it.
I am expecting a breakdown on the D in one of the next two games. Just too much pressure being put on them for 8 straight games. Nebraska's scheme is a pain in the rear for a tired D, and Wisconsin's maulers aren't fun to play against. Not enough TOs being forced to give the D a breather and help out the O; last in the league in sacks (117th in the country), not enough "splash" plays. Makes the stats probably a bit more impressive, because the rush O isn't helped by big sack yardage and the pass D has given up 6 TDs in 8 games vs. 20 in 14 last year. We'll see if they can keep it up these next few weeks; the Nebraska game could get ugly.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Don't know, but he's planning on visiting for the Nebraska and Northwestern games. His dad was Narduzzi's college room-mate.
Well, if you're going to fall apart in a game, I'd personally prefer it be against Wisky. I would like you to beat UNL to give us an extra game cushion and I don't want OSU to win the Legends. I would appreciate your support rooting for PSU this weekend for the same reason.
MSU fans...a hypo:
Say MSU losses to Wisco and Michigan losses to Nebraska.
That means that Michigan would REALLY REALLY like your help beating Nebraska the next week. It might be the toughest game they have left on the schedule.
Do you root "hard" for a sub-500 Spartan team to win against Nebraska or are you comfortable with losing to Nebraska because it makes it much less likely Michigan wins the division?
I've ranted about cupcake matches many times and no I don't get excited for those games. Sadly for us, EMU did provide a quality contest but for the most part those games are snooze fests.
I was more excited to see Cunningham and Martin play last year before the season than I was to see Burbridge this year. I am more interested in the current players.
Always root for an MSU W. It would be pretty #$(*$@*)#& to hope that MSU loses just because it would help Michigan.
I'd prefer an L to UW and an W over Nebraska as compared to 2 Ls.
I agree, but some fans have been openly petty, so I figured I would ask.
Yea, there's always the segment that would be fine going 1-11 as long as the "1" is a W over UM, and who would be unhappy with 13-1 (CCG + Rose bowl W, since we're talking hypos here ) if the 1 L is to UM.
To me, that's the "little brother" mentality that UM fans laugh at MSU about. There is definitely a group of fans that deserve the label.
Yes, blame the WR's for the UM game. And here you had D.Wags fooled that you knew football.
And, please, do inform me who the overweight TE and overweight LB/DE/FB are that cost MSU the game in Ann Arbor?
I won't argue the broken OL, and the 'slow' RB wasn't so slow in week 1. When you have to block for two linemen and a FB, and then run for the yards too, then do it 30+ times per game, that's gonna add up quick. I'd be on board with blaming the backup RB's, though. We got a nice dose of why the coaches don't put them in the game. Didn't both Nick Hill and Larry Caper fumble the ball only to get lucky and have MSU recover?
laconophilia is everywhere...
Hook, line, sinker. Man Jandy, you're testy right now.
True that. Those guys should win games when we keep teams to four field goals. Even if it is a big ten team.
YOUR have been banned from reading and posting on the Michigan Wolverine board.
weren't there rumblings of him committing on one of the visits? something like that. he's not happy with OSU slow-playing him
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I'm not happy with the job that Staten has done this year. He did a pretty darn good job last year, considering, but he doesn't have the player inexperience excuse this year.
Part of the problem stems from the fact that he doesn't really have much experience at OL. He played DT in college, and was a good TE coach who then was given the OT's as well and eventually the entire OL. I just don't think we really have an OL specialist on our coaching staff with the closest probably being Roushar, and I think it is hurting us big time.
And it isn't just the coaching, I firmly believe it's the S&C program for the big men. I think Ken Mannie is absolutely the guy we want there; he's high energy, know's his field and several prominent coaches have tried to poach him. But I think that the program that the coaches currently have him using for the linemen needs to be reevaluated and tailored better for the OL and DL. (FTR, this could be a result of the recruiting issue; some bodies just aren't meant to be 300 pounds, but if you need a 3-bill, you're gonna make a 3-bill).
Considering that Dantonio is loyal to a fault, a reorganization would probably be the best option.
Currently, our staff is:
HC - Dantonio
DC - Narduzzi
DL - Ted Gill
LB - Mike Tressel (also ST)
DB - Harlon Barnett
OC - Roushar
RB - Brad Salem (also Recruiting Coordinator)
WR - Terrence Samuel
OL - Mark Staten
QB - Dave Warner
I would like to see some reorganization of the bottom group.
I think it's clear that, if nobody is being fired, Roushar is the best OL option. It's a place where you don't have to surprise people too much, and he can get in a better rhythm. (what really blows about Roushar is that he's basically a liability in recruiting, assuming every coach has to take a region).
Therefore, I think my breakdown might look something like:
OC - Dave Warner (also QB)
RB - Brad Salem (also Recruiting Coordinator)
WR - Terrence Samuel
TE - Mark Staten (also OT coach)
OL Coordinator - Dan Roushar
Is OL Coordinator a new title? Probably. The point is simply that it would get Staten back to his better position with the TE's, but he would also be able to help give more attention to the OL, to make it a bigger priority.
I don't really know, I just want something to change, b/c when Dan Roushar went from OL coach to OC, the OL went down the tubes and the offense was right behind it.
Hail Mary, 2 pt conversion, and onside kick. every time.
You play games to win. Every quarter, every series every down. I could care less about who we help or who we hurt. Whoever we play every fan friend and Spartan I know wants to win. If we want to worry about crap worry about winning games you Lise by 1 or in ot or on a last second fieldgoal. It's too late to worry or care who wins the league and it doesn't effect is at all. If we're bothered by t-shirt fans on a message board that's a fans problem. The true fan wants to win games.
Add a flea ficker every third or fourth cycle and I'm on board.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 21 months ago
No doubt. I would assume you'd be rooting for state too. i don't care who wins the division if its not MSU.
It honestly has nothing to do with homerism. I didn't see Morris throw a ball until after he'd committed to UM, and I remember telling my coworker that they got a great QB, and they did. In fact, when MSU originally recruited Terry, I definitely would have taken Morris over him. However, part of what made Morris so great was that he'd developed his football abilities so young, and as a 16 year old he was making throws and on-field decisions that a solid 18 year old recruit would make. However, as he is still in high school, there is somewhat of a ceiling on his pre-college development. Summer camps can only teach you so much. In the end, the most growth is made on the field when the game is on the line.
Conversely, Terry was very raw, more a body+athleticism+attitude recruit than anything. So Terry had more room to grow, and grow he most certainly has. He is putting up pretty extraordinary numbers in PA, which isn't exactly short on talented competition.
Ultimately, though, the real reason I would absolutely not trade Terry for Morris is simply b/c MSU needs a mobile QB with the OL we have.
Honestly, this is the dumbest question you've ever asked.
The oline had one original starter left including our TE when we suited up last week. I say that not as an excuse but as a question about our strength and conditioning for that group. It has to be questioned. Sprained ankles and tweaked knees are also caused by bad foot work. Not having a good base, not keeping a good balance. All the staff needs to look at themselves and that includes line coaches and weight room coaches.
This is a lousy team and if anyone says we're three plays away from 7-1 and leading the conference I'd say they're full of crap and we're a billion miles away. We can't make a fricken play to win two of those games? It's strength, it's technique, it's everyone. Dantonio too
Thing is Dantonio has that play. We just don't use it anymore. Guy with the balls the size of Dantonio has that stodgy ball control philosophy. Yet he'll fake a punt on a whim. You'd think his personality would be a bit more risqué. Who knows.
I think it's primarily the OL and S&C coaches, Roushar, and potentially a little Mike Tressel as the ST Coordinator.
Gill hasn't had his best year, but he has helped Kittredge get to a point where he is contributing as a starter, and has gotten ARW back to much better form than 5 weeks ago.
You keep saying we're a billion miles away, I just completely disagree. It's more like we're 10 feet away with a 1 foot thick plexiglass wall blocking us. I say that b/c it is clear that the talent (with the TE depth and OL being possible exceptions) is there, yet forming intestinal fortitude is the hardest part. If something is 2 feet away but you're paralyzed, it might as well be a billion miles away...
Dantonio would prefer a pocket passer I think. However, i also thinks he likes athletic guys. Either way theyl be redshifted and nit played for two to three years.
Terry isn't a true dual-threat. He's a great passer who happens to be a very good runner. Perfect remedy for a struggling OL...
I expect and improved passing offense the after the bye also, you're play NW and Minnesota.
If the MSU offensive players develop like they should, I believe MSU will have the most potent passing O in the B1G next year. 5th year, returning starter QB, with experienced weapons to throw to. If the oline can give just enough in the run game to keep defenses honest, will be a huge key.
The defense will once again be one of the best in the B1G with Bullough, Allen, Dennard, and company returning.
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