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    Watch Out Pylon

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    mriderblue12 said... Your a retard.

  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Do you think your team has improved from last year?

    I know this wasn't directed toward me Steve but i do believe we are a better team than we were last year. I think our biggest improvement is in rebounding and on the defensive end. We were a pretty good defensive team last year but this year at times we are able to really get into people defensively. For example, in last nights NW game in the second half we had a stretch when we were down by like 8 where we really got after them defensively and went on a run to take the lead on the Novak dunk. Our offense hasn't struggled like some people thought it would with Morris leaving. Burke has done a nice job running the team.

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    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I know this wasn't directed toward me Steve but i do believe we are a better team than we were last year. I think our biggest improvement is in rebounding and on the defensive end. We were a pretty good defensive team last year but this year at times we are able to really get into people defensively. For example, in last nights NW game in the second half we had a stretch when we were down by like 8 where we really got after them defensively and went on a run to take the lead on the Novak dunk. Our offense hasn't struggled like some people thought it would with Morris leaving. Burke has done a nice job running the team.

    I think MSU also has a better squad this year than last year.

    To take a page from Klima's book . . . Enjoy those wins last year! It was great when MSU was down, but now they're clearly on their way up. Sure UM has recruited better than they have in years past, but look, MSU is just a powerhouse and has everything in order. No chance at UM coming close to MSU in basketball.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I think MSU also has a better squad this year than last year.

    To take a page from Klima's book . . . Enjoy those wins last year! It was great when MSU was down, but now they're clearly on their way up. Sure UM has recruited better than they have in years past, but look, MSU is just a powerhouse and has everything in order. No chance at UM coming close to MSU in basketball.

    Well i have no idea where that came from but i am assuming you are just messing with me.
    I agree totally MSU is way better than they were last year.

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    steveschneider

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I know this wasn't directed toward me Steve but i do believe we are a better team than we were last year. I think our biggest improvement is in rebounding and on the defensive end. We were a pretty good defensive team last year but this year at times we are able to really get into people defensively. For example, in last nights NW game in the second half we had a stretch when we were down by like 8 where we really got after them defensively and went on a run to take the lead on the Novak dunk. Our offense hasn't struggled like some people thought it would with Morris leaving. Burke has done a nice job running the team.

    What do you see as your weaknesses if any? What are your key points to victory?

    IMO, the key for us is our interior play. I think we have an advantage with our depth at the bigs and if they play well I think we are going to be tough to beat.

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    steveschneider

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Well i have no idea where that came from but i am assuming you are just messing with me. I agree totally MSU is way better than they were last year.

    Spartanrocky is being facetious, you walked into the middle of a scrap. Klima came in and has been provoking us telling us our good days at fb are over.

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    SpartanRocky

    Peterklima said... (original post)

    Yes. That's my point. Enjoy it now!!! Spartan fans will look lovingly back on the last few seasons. The details about RR, Fickell and the inability to win on the road will be forgotten. (Just like time will forget the details of UM's Sugar Bowl win and it will just be remembered as a BCS win. But, the major difference being that it is just the start of Hoke's tenure and recruiting - which was going well for MD vs. RR- indicates even BETTER days are coming for UM).

    So, have some T shirts made and whoop it up...as Dantonio noticed this year "the times they are a changin"

    Didn't you make a comment earlier in this thread that MSU only won on trick plays and Hail Marys, essentially saying that MSU just got a few bounces going there way and it led to Ws?

    How was Michigan's season different this year? Hail Mary passes to beat Notre Dame. Ohio State missing a wide open receiver. Multiple "jump ball passes" to beat Virginia Tech. Led the nation in fumble recoveries (20), by far the most random defensive stat in football.

    The only game that I saw where the bounces didn't go your way was @Iowa.

    But UM is going to be better next year.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Peter Klima went out of his way to provoke us in this thread, is this just a good place for you guys to vent then from all the stuff you hear from neighbors and co-workers? I'm curious because I don't have the same experience out here in NYC.

    This was borne out of a single conversation I had with a fellow alum. He said UM finnaly appears to be a good team and MSU has never beaten a good team (we later figured out no team with less than 6 losses as we could remember)...so why were MSU fans/writers suggesting a win in AA next year?? Why not a toss-up at best? So, I figured I would see if MSU fans would either deny UM will be pretty good next year and that MSU will likely struggle in that game. No admissions yet, but I love the "don't give them an inch" attitude.

    I like to argue in a friendly way. It's just fun.

    Also, my favorite Dylan album has changed over time but the one that holds up the best for me is Blood On The Tracks. Every song is great. (And the politics of other songs on other albums don't fire up this old man as often anymore.)

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    steveschneider

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I know this wasn't directed toward me Steve but i do believe we are a better team than we were last year. I think our biggest improvement is in rebounding and on the defensive end. We were a pretty good defensive team last year but this year at times we are able to really get into people defensively. For example, in last nights NW game in the second half we had a stretch when we were down by like 8 where we really got after them defensively and went on a run to take the lead on the Novak dunk. Our offense hasn't struggled like some people thought it would with Morris leaving. Burke has done a nice job running the team.

    Also, how do you feel about these matchups that xxmgobluexx provided last night?

    PG: Burke vs Appling
    SG: Hardaway vs Woods?
    SF: Novak vs Dawson?
    PF: Smotz vs Green
    C: Morgan vs Payne

    I think he's got our starters right, but I picture Appling covering Hardaway on D. He's a great defender and I think Izzo will put him on there.

    Wonder who Thornton will cover when he comes in.

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    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Well i have no idea where that came from but i am assuming you are just messing with me. I agree totally MSU is way better than they were last year.

    yea, Klima came in and said that MSU should cherish their most recent Ws because there's no way they'll have a shot at the Big 10 title in the future. I think UM bball is on fine footing and I'm looking forward to a good game on Tuesday.

    I was just poking fun at a guy who was convinced going into this season that there was no way MSU could come close to their 2010 success in '11 . . . but now that MSU did well in 2011 proclaims that NOW it's all over.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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    SpartanRocky

    Peterklima said... (original post)

    This was borne out of a single conversation I had with a fellow alum. He said UM finnaly appears to be a good team and MSU has never beaten a good team (we later figured out no team with less than 6 losses as we could remember)...so why were MSU fans/writers suggesting a win in AA next year?? Why not a toss-up at best? So, I figured I would see if MSU fans would either deny UM will be pretty good next year and that MSU will likely struggle in that game. No admissions yet, but I love the "don't give them an inch" attitude.

    I like to argue in a friendly way. It's just fun.

    Also, my favorite Dylan album has changed over time but the one that holds up the best for me is Blood On The Tracks. Every song is great. (And the politics of other songs on other albums don't fire up this old man as often anymore.)

    I did point out that MSU beat 9-3 Northwestern in Evanston in 2008, and given the relative proximity of the 2 programs, you could consider MSU's bowl game this season to be a road win as well.

    You must've missed that post, or just ignored it.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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    steveschneider

    Peterklima said... (original post)

    This was borne out of a single conversation I had with a fellow alum. He said UM finnaly appears to be a good team and MSU has never beaten a good team (we later figured out no team with less than 6 losses as we could remember)...so why were MSU fans/writers suggesting a win in AA next year?? Why not a toss-up at best? So, I figured I would see if MSU fans would either deny UM will be pretty good next year and that MSU will likely struggle in that game. No admissions yet, but I love the "don't give them an inch" attitude.

    I like to argue in a friendly way. It's just fun.

    Also, my favorite Dylan album has changed over time but the one that holds up the best for me is Blood On The Tracks. Every song is great. (And the politics of other songs on other albums don't fire up this old man as often anymore.)

    But we just beat Georgia? Did you and your friend not count that game? We also came within inches of beating Wisconsin, we played them well in a hard fought game. I think we've shown that we are good.

    I'm a huge fan of Blond on Blond and Highway 61, no politics just brilliant non-sequiturs.

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  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    What do you see as your weaknesses if any? What are your key points to victory?

    IMO, the key for us is our interior play. I think we have an advantage with our depth at the bigs and if they play well I think we are going to be tough to beat.

    lol We have a lot of weaknesses. Our biggest weakness is still our bigs. Horford has been out with injury for a few weeks now and is expected to be out a couple more at least. Morgan and Smot have been inconsistent. Some games they just don't play well at all and other games they are fully engaged in the game and play very well. Another weakness is at times we settle for quick bad 3 point shots. When we run our offense we usually get good shots. Another problem we have had this year is getting into foul trouble. I think every guy on our team other than Burke has had at least one game where they have gotten into early foul trouble and a couple guys always seem to be into foul trouble. Also, we are not getting a lot of production off the bench. Basically, Stu is our only guy giving us consistent production off the bench

    The key points to victory for us i would say are we need to have a solid shooting night. Can't be afraid to go to the rim. Hardaway, Burke, Novak, Morgan need to get to the foul line some. We can't win this game if MSU has a huge differential at the free throw line. Then lastly and most importantly we are going to need to fight on the boards as a team. All 5 guys on the floor are going to have to bring their best rebounding efforts.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    yea, Klima came in and said that MSU should cherish their most recent Ws because there's no way they'll have a shot at the Big 10 title in the future. I think UM bball is on fine footing and I'm looking forward to a good game on Tuesday.

    I was just poking fun at a guy who was convinced going into this season that there was no way MSU could come close to their 2010 success in '11 . . . but now that MSU did well in 2011 proclaims that NOW it's all over.

    lol Yeah i usually disregard all the Klima arguments that are going on in this thread. That would be why i had no idea what was going on.

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    steveschneider

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    lol We have a lot of weaknesses. Our biggest weakness is still our bigs. Horford has been out with injury for a few weeks now and is expected to be out a couple more at least. Morgan and Smot have been inconsistent. Some games they just don't play well at all and other games they are fully engaged in the game and play very well. Another weakness is at times we settle for quick bad 3 point shots. When we run our offense we usually get good shots. Another problem we have had this year is getting into foul trouble. I think every guy on our team other than Burke has had at least one game where they have gotten into early foul trouble and a couple guys always seem to be into foul trouble. Also, we are not getting a lot of production off the bench. Basically, Stu is our only guy giving us consistent production off the bench

    The key points to victory for us i would say are we need to have a solid shooting night. Can't be afraid to go to the rim. Hardaway, Burke, Novak, Morgan need to get to the foul line some. We can't win this game if MSU has a huge differential at the free throw line. Then lastly and most importantly we are going to need to fight on the boards as a team. All 5 guys on the floor are going to have to bring their best rebounding efforts.

    I'm going to be focusing on Novaks. I remember two years ago Raymar Morgan had his way with him. Next year Novaks came out admitted he hated Michigan State and then out scrapped the stoners on our team last year. I think we are going to be physical with him and I expect some good old school physical bball with that matchup. Should be great.

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    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    lol We have a lot of weaknesses. Our biggest weakness is still our bigs. Horford has been out with injury for a few weeks now and is expected to be out a couple more at least. Morgan and Smot have been inconsistent. Some games they just don't play well at all and other games they are fully engaged in the game and play very well. Another weakness is at times we settle for quick bad 3 point shots. When we run our offense we usually get good shots. Another problem we have had this year is getting into foul trouble. I think every guy on our team other than Burke has had at least one game where they have gotten into early foul trouble and a couple guys always seem to be into foul trouble. Also, we are not getting a lot of production off the bench. Basically, Stu is our only guy giving us consistent production off the bench

    The key points to victory for us i would say are we need to have a solid shooting night. Can't be afraid to go to the rim. Hardaway, Burke, Novak, Morgan need to get to the foul line some. We can't win this game if MSU has a huge differential at the free throw line. Then lastly and most importantly we are going to need to fight on the boards as a team. All 5 guys on the floor are going to have to bring their best rebounding efforts.

    I'll say this much: MSU has been protecting the basketball much better than in previous years. MSU seemed to be good for 15-20 TOs/night for most of the last 3-4 years. Looked bad against UNC and Duke, but have really been efficient recently. That should make a difference.

    Biggest key to me (and I admit that I'm not a bball expert) is Draymond Green and/or Dawson being able to penetrate the zone. Green is one of the few MSU plays who can hit a mid-range jumper. O-rebounding is going to be huge for MSU as the UM zone has really forced some bad shots out of the Spartans the past few years.

    MSU has had some games where foul trouble has been an issue, but I wouldn't say it's a systemic problem. Going to be a fun game, but I think this highlights why the college football regular season >>>>> college bball's regular season. MSU (or UM) could drop both games to its arch rival and in no way, shape or form would knock either team out of the Big 10 or even National Title picture.

    Fun for bragging rights and definitely a quality win for either squad to help with seeding, but that's about as far as the game goes in terms of the big picture in the bball season.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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    steveschneider

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    lol Yeah i usually disregard all the Klima arguments that are going on in this thread. That would be why i had no idea what was going on.

    Also, what do you think of the insult Kork Coupons? lol

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  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Also, how do you feel about these matchups that xxmgobluexx provided last night?

    PG: Burke vs Appling SG: Hardaway vs Woods? SF: Novak vs Dawson? PF: Smotz vs Green C: Morgan vs Payne

    I think he's got our starters right, but I picture Appling covering Hardaway on D. He's a great defender and I think Izzo will put him on there.

    Wonder who Thornton will cover when he comes in.

    well first off I really hope we don't end up with Smot on Green. That is a really bad matchup for us. I figure we are going to need to double Green and rotate really well defensively or you guys will get a lot of open shots if you run your offense through Green. The Burke/Appling matchup would be fun to watch considering the job Burke did on Jordan Taylor in the Wisconsin game. However, i believe you will see Stu Douglas on Appling a lot when he is in the game. Stu is probably our best on ball defender and Coach B has a lot of confidence in him. I guess i really don't like the matchups individually for Michigan. It's going to take a team defensive effort for Michigan. Helping out on D, sliding over to take charges, and rebounding as a team.

    The only negative thing i could see about putting Appling on Hardaway is Hardaway would have a few inches on him. Payne and MSU's size inside is a big concern for me as far as Michigan being able to finish around the rim.

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  • Due51 said... (original post)

    I'll fly a Spartan flag at my house for a week if they win 10 REGULAR SEASON games this year.

    Pics of flag flying at your house every day for a week?

    Thanks.

  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Also, what do you think of the insult Kork Coupons? lol

    I think its dumb

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  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    I'm going to be focusing on Novaks. I remember two years ago Raymar Morgan had his way with him. Next year Novaks came out admitted he hated Michigan State and then out scrapped the stoners on our team last year. I think we are going to be physical with him and I expect some good old school physical bball with that matchup. Should be great.

    I agree. The refs are going to need to keep control of this game early or it could get ugly. I don't see either team backing down.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I'll say this much: MSU has been protecting the basketball much better than in previous years. MSU seemed to be good for 15-20 TOs/night for most of the last 3-4 years. Looked bad against UNC and Duke, but have really been efficient recently. That should make a difference.

    Biggest key to me (and I admit that I'm not a bball expert) is Draymond Green and/or Dawson being able to penetrate the zone. Green is one of the few MSU plays who can hit a mid-range jumper. O-rebounding is going to be huge for MSU as the UM zone has really forced some bad shots out of the Spartans the past few years.

    MSU has had some games where foul trouble has been an issue, but I wouldn't say it's a systemic problem. Going to be a fun game, but I think this highlights why the college football regular season >>>>> college bball's regular season. MSU (or UM) could drop both games to its arch rival and in no way, shape or form would knock either team out of the Big 10 or even National Title picture.

    Fun for bragging rights and definitely a quality win for either squad to help with seeding, but that's about as far as the game goes in terms of the big picture in the bball season.

    I agree with what you are saying here about the regular season for basketball and football. I will say this though if MSU wins this game they are going to be tough to catch for the Big Ten regular season title this year. The rest of the Big Ten really needs Michigan to win this game.

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  • NigelUno said... (original post)

    Pics of flag flying at your house every day for a week?

    Thanks.

    lol, awesome.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Didn't you make a comment earlier in this thread that MSU only won on trick plays and Hail Marys, essentially saying that MSU just got a few bounces going there way and it led to Ws?

    How was Michigan's season different this year? Hail Mary passes to beat Notre Dame. Ohio State missing a wide open receiver. Multiple "jump ball passes" to beat Virginia Tech. Led the nation in fumble recoveries (20), by far the most random defensive stat in football.

    The only game that I saw where the bounces didn't go your way was @Iowa.

    But UM is going to be better next year.

    Some bounces did go our way, but that is what MSU relied on in its zenith (senior QB, favorable schedule, long time with same coach, recruits taken from RR) and they still got blown out a couple games. Michigan had some good bounces, but they are just starting out under Hoke, are getting back to recruiting the top and never got beat by three scores this year.

  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Question, how come you guys fight with us more than the Ohio State guys?

    Because we are their biggest threat. We are in the same state and if you can't get out of your own state, you can't be a national program. They long for the days of just UM/OSU football. It's over and they know it. The Big Ten has a lot of good programs now and everyone has money, facilities, fans, admin support, and just an all around focus on athletics.

    OSU was their biggest rival for so many years and they didn't have to deal with us for more than a week in the fall. They said basketball doesn't matter but that was obviously a lie. They get off on saying we aren't a rival but they poop their pants at the sight of Dantonio. Other coaches rolled over for UM but he just stares them straight in the face and beats them. He doesn't deal with their petty tactics, but just owns them on the field. It's a new era and they hate it. All they can do is post some overall win record and talk about all their BS hype around their program. We see it for what it is and call them on it. They hate it. Just look at this thread.

    You think their fans get all excited when OSU hockey, basketball, baseball, women's basketball, gymnastics, or whatever else comes to town? No. It's a big football rivalry and it's based on winning the Big Ten. Since that era is over and we have a number of good programs in the Big Ten along with a championship game, the rivalry has been scaled down. Again, they hate it.

    Please UM fans, tell me how I'm wrong for the next 100 pages. Tell me how MSU is irrelevant and only OSU matters.

    Here come the flames from the mental midgets that are so insecure they need to tell us over and over how much better they are and how they are so dominant. All the while we just keep beating them.