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Funny how it would have no impact on the 2014 class since he's a senior this year
Can somebody really be this dumb?
You've never encountered a Bama fan in person, have you?
BornToBeRed said: WPS, just a head's up. We might be the most family-friendly board on the network, so take it easy on your normal wps-ness.
. Simple troll
Lets see if Hoke brings in QB transfer though- would impact '13 class, no?
This post was edited by CaliSpartan0606 14 months ago
I will throw this out there and maybe this is what you were getting at but, the LSU dline isn't a massive wall that stones the oline. They are a smaller group that attacks the gaps. They gave the Bama oline more trouble than some of the bigger dlines did.
RS senior to be, Mike Jones is also leaving the program. Best of luck to the young man.
Fault here is that you're assuming that the DTs won't improve, i.e., lost Worthy and the production dropped. As I said above, 3/4 DTs last year were playing the position for the first time and they're back. I'd expect them to look better this year.
Adams was replaced in the bowl game. I'm not worried about Dantonio being able to replace DBs.
Edit: Do you see the irony in that 2 of the 3 players you named were 3-stars? Also, MSU's D in '12 was better than '11 in almost every statistical category, including run defense. Kind of funny that they'd lose Worthy, but improve against the run, don't you think?
This post was edited by MalibuMan 14 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
And how many squads have top 10 classes, but no NC's to show for it?
I'm talking about technique; turning your body sideways to get narrow and get through the gaps. I'm not talking about weight loss.
The top 4 DTs go 308, 300, 290 and 274. Size isn't going to be an issue.
Just so we can be on the same page, we can expect something even if we haven't seen it now? I agree with this, but we have been told differently in the past couple of months.
I saw evidence of it in the spring game at least from Hoover and LT at DT and Calhoun and Heath at DE. It's a step in the right direction.
You can draw conclusions based on on-field performance all you want. It's just annoying to hear "5-star RB = our running game is going to be great) when the kid hasn't set foot on campus.
As to the larger "star" point, development matters a lot, and Wisky/Iowa have had even more success than MSU with slightly worse recruiting; I think Wisky has been to more Rose Bowls in the last 20 years than UM.
Also, I think those are the squads that MSU should be measuring itself against in recruiting, because not long ago, MSU was down at an IL level. I'm all about taking things one step at a time.
Yeah, 10 top 10 recruiting classes a year, 1 MNC winner. I still feel like this quote holds true when discussing these top classes, "But when it comes to forming expectations, it should go without saying that you never want to count on being one of the anomalies."
But can they hold up and produce for the whole season? Remember that dandy you threw out there a month ago when we talked about Michigan players following spring? Has that changed now also?
So what is it? Is this a cope thing where it is different for MSU? I think you are full of crap when saying that and I am full of crap throwing it back at you. I thought you were full of crap with your it can't happen if we haven't seen it in a game and I am full of crap when I throw it back at you.
I am all for having a cordial discussion with what to expect from each others teams but that's not going to happen until both sides agree to change. I am ok with throwing barbs also and saving real discussion for the B1G roundtable, there has been plenty of ammunition given to us in the last few months.
Clint Brewster gave a breakdown on Marshall. Really glad the coaches were able to get a committment from this kid for reasons already discussed.
I'm not assuming anything. I did not say anyone wouldn't improve and I did not say your defense would not be as good. I simply said you must replace talent with equal or better talent to maintain or improve on the field over time. And if you lose one of your best players, it's generally harder to replace that talent than if you lose one of your less talented players.
It has nothing to do with stars. Jordan Kovacs had no stars and he was one of our best players the past few years. The simple question is can we find a S as good or better than Kovacs to replace him. Similarly, Will Gholston was one of your best players. Can you find a DE as good or better to replace him? I don't know your roster very well. I generally know the better starters and I take a look at your incoming classes every year, but beyond that I really don't track them.
Guys like Cousins, Worthy and Gholston are hard to replace. Maxwell was a big dropoff from Cousins last year. Will he completely close that gap this year? Maybe, but I doubt it. Your WR situation is a bit different. Burbridge has all the tools to be as good or better than Cunningham. Arnett, on paper, also looks talented and probably will emerge as a second solid threat at some point. But where are the RBs? And who is going to step in at TE to replace Dion Sims? Are the players stepping in at those positions equal or better than Bell and Sims? And as I said above, your DL after losing Worthy was not the same. It was not as intimidating. I also think some of the extra attention Worthy drew in 2011 was refocused on Gholston in 2012, affecting his production. In 2013, you will be without both Worthy and Gholston. Maybe Worthy 2.0 and Gholston 2.0 will emerge. But if they don't, that's a reason your defense could slip. If you aren't continually replacing the talent that is leaving every year with equal or better new talent coming in, it eventually will catch up to you.
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That's overly simplistic. No question, you have a defensive oriented HC and a great DC. And your staff does an excellent job of developing players on that side of the ball. But no one constantly improves. Not MSU. Not Bama. No one. When Dantonio took over in 2007, your defense wasn't very good. Some of that was lack of talent. And over the next several years, you recruited and developed better talent such that the players coming in and taking over were better than the ones leaving each year. Your defense improved steadily and from 2010-2012 has been excellent. But you've now gotten to the point that you are no longer losing less talented players who were largely recruited and developed by JLS. You are losing many of your best players from the 2010-2012 run. Replacing them with equal or better talent will be more challenging than replacing the less talented players you lost off the 2007-2009 teams. Can it be done? Yeah, sure. Is it being done? Idk. We finally saw a dropoff on offense last year when Cousins, Cunningham, Martin and others had to be replaced. The defense, however, remained strong. But the same dynamic applies. At some point, top talent has to be replaced by equal or better talent ... and if it isn't, eventually on field performance will suffer.
I had him completely written off for MSU. I think the most surprising thing was that he had been leaning towards Michigan for a month.
Anyways, it's a big pickup because we haven't recruited that many pass-rush oriented ends.
I would say that's similar to how I feel about our defense. At his point, Mattison has proven that we'll have a good defense for as long as he's here.
Let's hope. Also, it was announced today that Mike Jones (S) will not be returning for a fifth year. He graduated with his degree in April and will transfer to try to find playing time as a graduate student (he will not have to sit out). That drops us to 83, two under the 85 limit.
I hope so also but I am not hopeful. Most transfers are looking for someplace that they can start or compete to start. That isn't happening with Gardner in place.
I don't know if it was you or who on this board that told us how gawd awful Tol Gholston and Johnny Adams were. Now are we going to start hearing they'll be hard to replace?
It gets tiring just to argue for arguments sake. I wish Izzo could coach the Spring Quiddich team to a 37 point victory over Michigan and chase trolls off till July.
YOUR have been banned from reading and posting on the Michigan Wolverine board.
There are 4 types of events that I find I should expect a significant increase of UM posters ITT:
1. When MSU loses a big game or to a poor team
2. When something occurs that some may view as embarrassing to MSU
3. When UM wins a recruiting battle
4. When MSU loses a recruiting battle in which it was favored
laconophilia is everywhere...
And when Izzo wins by 37 it's like a light flashes on and the cockroaches run for cover.
But they aren't moving the goalposts, cope and Rocky are...
I'm still trying to figure out how we're gonna replace Greg jones and Eric Gordon
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