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I'll try and add them up tonight or sometime this week. Michigan will have 3 coaching staff's involved in that time period. 247 has it broken down already by average and has a greater spread to rank the recruits, 70-100. I would use that from 2012 and onward. Also, the rivals staff that we used from prior to 2012 is now at 247.
Yea, it all looked fine.
Looking forward to seeing the UM version.
FWIW, I think I'll start the "Summer" Roundtable after Memorial Day weekend. I've got an idea for us to develop a consensus conference power ranking for each team, position by position.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
If anybody wants a good laugh they should check out the Jabrill peppers thread. Apparently Michigan fans feel the need to defend Peppers even though they don't know him and he doesn't play for Michigan right now. A small part of me wants him to go somewhere else so I can see the meltdown.
That's how I feel. Way to many people getting offended by a random guys opinion on a player.
What's funnier is MSU not having any high end players to discuss. Keep doing work coach D.
Sweet burn . . .
Jesus, thet're kids.
2013 - 5.79
2012 - 5.75
2011 - 5.63
2010 - 5.65
2009 - 5.76
2008 - 5.79
The 2009-2011 classes were within .1 of each other. 2008 and the 2012-2013 classes were .11 or greater in difference. Also, the 2011 class was higher per recruit for MSU than Michigan's.
To be fair, the SEC/FSU people posting in that thread are incredibly stupid.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
So here's what I'm thinking for the Big 10 Summer Roundtable, leading into preseason conference power rankings.
1) Each Monday, starting after Memorial day weekend, we start a Big 10 Roundtable about a position: QB, RB/FB, WR/TE, OL, DL, LB, DB, ST and Coaches.
2) Everyone does their thing, talking about that specific position for their squad for the 2013 season.
3) In addition to #2, I'd request that everyone take some time, read what fans are saying about their teams, and also rank the Big 10 at that position, 1-12. I.E., QBs: 1. tOSU, 2. Nebraska, 3. IU, whatever . . . .
4) Keep it open until the next Sunday (i.e., you have a week to get your votes in).
5) On Sunday, I'll take everyone's rankings from that thread and compile a "Consensus" Power Poll for the position. So, if you rank tOSU #1, they get 1 point at QB, Nebraska at #2 would get 2 and so forth, with the lowest overall score getting the first overall spot for that position, 2nd lowest, getting the next spot, etc.
6) The next Monday, we'll move on to the next position, and I'll post the results from the previous week's Roundtable in the thread so people can see what the consensus was at that spot.
7) Rinse and Repeat until we've covered 9 weeks worth of Roundtables, one on each position above, which takes us through the week of July 22 (Coaches will be that week, should be entertaining).
8) The week of July 29, I'll have a compiled list of the Big 10 teams, broken down position by position, ranked 1-12. That coincides with the last week prior to fall camp, and I figure we can do schedule breakdowns/ pre-fall season predictions for that roundtable.
9) The week of Aug.5 will be the Fall Camp Roundtables and we can talk off-season development/attrition/changes, etc.
Sound like a plan?
I was actually going to make that observation about 2011; I think MSU was 5.64 for '11 - '13, right?
Too bad Le'Veon Bell and Darqueze Dennard were 5.4's in 2010 for MSU; would have liked to see that class if those two were the 4-stars that they turned out to be in college .
Very interesting overall. I'm surprised to see the 2008 class be rated so high for UM, as high as your 2013 class, which many UM fans seem to believe is the best you've had in a long time. Amazingly enough, your 3 highest rated guys from that class, Cissoko, Dann O'Neil and Stonum didn't finish out their career with UM and your lowest rated recruit, Omameh, had a great career.
I don't expect this anytime soon because it took awhile for me, but if you had to re-rate your 2008 class, recruit by recruit, off of on-field college performance, where would the class end up? I did that for MSU's 2008 class recently; 4 studs (Martin, Robinson, Adams and Worthy), 1 very good player (McDonald) and a lot of fail.
I'm pretty interested to see the Rivals250 tomorrow. Enoch Smith Jr. and Brian Allen may get 4-star bumps, which may push them into Composite 4-star territory. Sokol looks like he's going to be a high 3-star to start off with and if he does the camp thing, he'll have a crack at 4-star status. Deon Drake will probably stay as a 4-star outside of the 250.
There are 3-4 4-stars that are being talked about regularly on our boards: DT Craig Evans, S/WR Kiy Hester, WR/S Noah Brown and Jamarco Jones. I still think Jones is tOSU's to lose, but a couple of analysts are now saying MSU is a darkhorse. Getting the 3 IL guys early is really helping MSU in that state; RB Chris James, DE Chris Slayton and Jones are all being recruited by current MSU recruits. Smith Jr. is the one that's convinced Evans to visit MSU in the near future; Evans is now listed as a soft verbal to Wisky.
Who knows if any of those guys choose MSU, but in the interest in maybe having a legit conversation, those are some 4-stars who are on MSU's radar at the moment.
This sounds great to me.
Yea, I always love Athlon/Phil Steele/Lindy's rankings of the units, so I figured why not create our own? We may even be more informed that those publications, given the passionate fans we have on this board. Glad to have a Purdue guy on board too, makes it easier. Now if only Minny, IL and Northwestern can get some fans, we could have some great times.
Figure it'll be MSU, UM, tOSU and PSU driving a lot of the discussions since we have the most active fanbases, though the Wisky fans are knowledgeable and there always seems to be one good Hawkeye poster that rolls on by. Nebraska is getting acclimated better too, so it'll be interesting to see what their fans thing now that they've got a couple of Big 10 seasons under their belts.
Plus it gives us a decent (dare I say quality?) football discussion each week of the off-season.
Another thing that seemed to be happening was the average was dropping with RichRod in place. We all know that 2008 and 2011 were transition years, but you can see that the average was dropping until Hoke had a full class in 2012.
I can try and do the 2008 class sometime. Interesting note on O'Neil, he was a 2-time all-MAC OT I believe. Stonum was lined up to do good things his final year at Michigan, and looked alright from what I remember last year at Baylor. Cissoko, .
Sidenote: I didn't follow recruiting as closely until I came to this site. I was a casual observer, read somethings on scout and rivals, read the papers when the classes were inked, I remember reading about Wheatley, Fargas, and other highly touted kids.
If we had the crystal ball feature, I would be tempted to put Jones to MSU. There are several midwest analyst who are throwing MSU's name out there for Jones.
MSU is putting together a solid class. It looks like the usual Coach D class of recruits that some of the bigger program would have thrown an offer to late in the process if they missed on other guys. With the process speeding up, MSU is getting in on these guys early and the big programs will be to late to the party.
I love the discussions. They are a good time sink on topics that I love. I agree that the quality of the discussion has risen. In 2011, there was almost as much flaming as there was actual discussion. Refreshing to see others views on programs and players, even if I don't always agree with them.
I always look forward to the release of the Athlon, Lindy's and especially Phil Steele. They don't mean much once the games start and you can actually see what is on the field, but until then, they pass the time well. I was hoping that one of them would be released this weekend before I head up to the cabin, but it doesn't look good. I think Phil Steele is releasing his in mid June.
I think Craig Evans will be a good DT. IIRC Mattison was recruiting him for a little while then backed off when it sounded like Evans was solid to Wisconsin. Would be a great pickup.
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Yea, the word was that he liked the way Enoch Smith Jr. performed at the Rivals camp a week or so ago and could see himself playing next to Smith Jr. Smith Jr. is a 3-tech-type DT, while Evans is a 1-tech NT prospect, hence the connection. We'll see how it plays out; Smith Jr. is a Plan A MSU target and so is Evans. I don't remember the last time that a position was filled with Plan A guys in an MSU class. State usually gets a handful of true Plan A guys each year, but they're spread out (RB Holmes, CB Darian Hicks, OLB/RB Delton Williams, QB Damion Terry, Jon Reschke and Shane Jones from '13 were what I'd call "Plan A" recruits for MSU. I may be missing someone, but that's off the top of my head.)
On a side note, Chris James (RB, IL) just got an offer for Wisky, who's now listed as "warmer" with MSU. James describes himself as a between the tackles runner who doesn't want to play for a spread, so it'll be interesting to see if Anderson keeps the Wisky power-running tradition or goes more spread.
Yea, Trieu made mention of it a few days back. Honestly, I'm shocked about it and won't believe it until he commits.
As for MSU's class, I'm pretty happy with it so far. Not everyone is a Plan A guy, but some real solid players I think. It'll be interesting to see if the IL pipeline develops further; that could really be the story of MSU's '14 class.
So did you guys see the Eddie Vanderdoes - ND saga that's unfolding right now? Yeesh, not even LOIs mean a kid's in the bag anymore.
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