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  • Harry Callahan said... (original post)

    No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses. Also, it's going to be a bottom of the barrel RPI team. That's going to hurt coming selection time for any team on the bubble.

    Not a lot of UM basketball fans I suppose.

    These losses to Iowa and NW hurt the same for either teams chances of winning the Big Ten.

  • MrWoodson said... (original post)

    Not sure what you are trying to say (especially the last sentence, and I use that term loosely), but a loss to Northwestern and a loss to Iowa count the same. They each count as one loss. Maybe you should have taken the advanced math at MSU.

    From literally a math perspective, yes. You drunk homie?

    Again, I don't know what you are talking about with the strength of schedule stuff. They play all the same teams but in different order. I pointed out all of the difficult games in a row. If you want to take that side of the argument that it's more difficult with the order, then you can have it. Congrats. You win the internets! The rest of January is going to be an interesting month in the Big Ten, specifically MSU/UM.

  • xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    These losses to Iowa and NW hurt the same for either teams chances of winning the Big Ten.

    You ever hear of a +/- schedule? It weights teams based on wins and losses at home or away to different teams. It's more of a basketball thing.

    Example: winning on the road at OSU is huge. Losing at home to Iowa is awful.

    I'm saying NU will be a bubble team and Iowa will be a bottom RPI team. They affect your RPI differently. It's the weighting that I'm talking about and not so much the literal 1 loss = 1 loss.

    Worthless argument. You Michigan fans are so draining. It's like talking to your little cousin that annoying mimics your movements and speech. I'll just assume you guys are drunk on your Sat afternoon.

  • Harry Callahan said... (original post)

    You ever hear of a +/- schedule? It weights teams based on wins and losses at home or away to different teams. It's more of a basketball thing.

    Example: winning on the road at OSU is huge. Losing at home to Iowa is awful.

    I'm saying NU will be a bubble team and Iowa will be a bottom RPI team. They affect your RPI differently. It's the weighting that I'm talking about and not so much the literal 1 loss = 1 loss.

    Worthless argument. You Michigan fans are so draining. It's like talking to your little cousin that annoying mimics your movements and speech. I'll just assume you guys are drunk on your Sat afternoon.

    Umm, hey Mr Basketball knowledge. Can you start over and explain again how losing to Iowa is worse than losing to NW when it comes to who wins the B1G. I didn't realize the RPI impacted who wins the B1G also, can you go into detail on that also? I am only asking since you responded to a statement that "A loss to either counts exactly the same", with "No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses." Please enlighten us basketball sage.

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    Due51 said... (original post)

    I didn't bring up that incident. Somehow you took what I said, brought up a completely different in incident from 20 years ago and accuse me of condoning it.

    Gholson (there's no T in his name, according to hIm) was NOT, in fact, disciplined for ripping Denard's head gear, FYI.

    Well whatever happened I have a feeling mr Gholston might be a little fired up to play you guys. Just a bit.

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    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Umm, hey Mr Basketball knowledge. Can you start over and explain again how losing to Iowa is worse than losing to NW when it comes to who wins the B1G. I didn't realize the RPI impacted who wins the B1G also, can you go into detail on that also? I am only asking since you responded to a statement that "A loss to either counts exactly the same", with "No it doesn't. Losing to Iowa home or away really hurts your chances of winning the Big Ten. You can't afford those losses." Please enlighten us basketball sage.

    In the standings, it has the same affect.

    Maybe more accurately than saying this loss hurts your chances more, it instead should be said that; these games (in a vacuum) are a good indicator of how UM's chances are lower, as they got seemingly handled by a team that is much worse than the team that MSU hung with until the end.

    If UM were to set their sights on the tournament eventually, there are a couple factors regarding the MSU/NU game that they should note.
    First, losing to the team ranked 118 in the RPI hurts considerably more than losing to the team ranked 27th, which is what Iowa and Northwestern's rankings are, respectively.
    Second, as UM was ranked 20th in the RPI prior to this week of games, there is a decent chance that Northwestern passes UM (or pulls closer at the least) in the next RPI rankings. I understand UM just beat NU, but which of the following would you rather have on your record:

    Beat RPI #27 in 3OT at home and Lost to RPI #118 by a significant margin on the road.
    OR
    Lost to RPI #20 in 3OT on the road and Beat RPI #4 at home.

    I would take the second option every time, I'm assuming you would too. While RPI is certainly not everything, it becomes more important the closer you get to the bubble-zone, and there's potential for both of these teams to be there come tournament time.

    Of course, UM could definitely remedy that pretty well by beating MSU on Tuesday.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    In the standings, it has the same affect.

    Maybe more accurately than saying this loss hurts your chances more, it instead should be said that; these games (in a vacuum) are a good indicator of how UM's chances are lower, as they got seemingly handled by a team that is much worse than the team that MSU hung with until the end.

    If UM were to set their sights on the tournament eventually, there are a couple factors regarding the MSU/NU game that they should note. First, losing to the team ranked 118 in the RPI hurts considerably more than losing to the team ranked 27th, which is what Iowa and Northwestern's rankings are, respectively. Second, as UM was ranked 20th in the RPI prior to this week of games, there is a decent chance that Northwestern passes UM (or pulls closer at the least) in the next RPI rankings. I understand UM just beat NU, but which of the following would you rather have on your record:

    Beat RPI #27 in 3OT at home and Lost to RPI #118 by a significant margin on the road. OR Lost to RPI #20 in 3OT on the road and Beat RPI #4 at home.

    I would take the second option every time, I'm assuming you would too. While RPI is certainly not everything, it becomes more important the closer you get to the bubble-zone, and there's potential for both of these teams to be there come tournament time.

    Of course, UM could definitely remedy that pretty well by beating MSU on Tuesday.

    This is good stuff. I'll add on to it so they can see what I'm saying.

    To say that losing at Iowa is the same as losing at NU is to believe that both teams are equal. However, I think NU is a better team than Iowa. Why? I think NU will win those close games at home while many other teams with beat Iowa, at Iowa. Losing at Iowa sets you back.

    If MSU loses at Iowa and UM loses at NU, then this is all irrelevant. Also, if MSU wins at Iowa and UM wins at NU then it has the same net effect again. I think UM will lose at NU and MSU will win at Iowa. It hurts in the Big Ten standings if that happens (obviously). It's why I said it's a worse loss for both RPI and winning the Big Ten.

    UM could redeem themselves by getting a win at OSU or at MSU. At Ind has already been played so there goes a top end victory to flip the loss. I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp and I've done all I can to explain it. Enjoy the night fellas. Ima get some sushi, later bros.

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    Harry Callahan said... (original post)

    This is good stuff. I'll add on to it so they can see what I'm saying.

    To say that losing at Iowa is the same as losing at NU is to believe that both teams are equal. However, I think NU is a better team than Iowa. Why? I think NU will win those close games at home while many other teams with beat Iowa, at Iowa. Losing at Iowa sets you back.

    If MSU loses at Iowa and UM loses at NU, then this is all irrelevant. Also, if MSU wins at Iowa and UM wins at NU then it has the same net effect again. I think UM will lose at NU and MSU will win at Iowa. It hurts in the Big Ten standings if that happens (obviously). It's why I said it's a worse loss for both RPI and winning the Big Ten.

    UM could redeem themselves by getting a win at OSU or at MSU. At Ind has already been played so there goes a top end victory to flip the loss. I don't think this is a hard concept to grasp and I've done all I can to explain it. Enjoy the night fellas. Ima get some sushi, later bros.

    If you don't think u of m wi be pumped for this game your crazy. This is their final four. It's their red letter game. They want to be MSU but can't. It's all they have. They celebrate 8-8 and one win in the tourney like it's a title for them. They'll bring their A game Tuesday. It's their superbowl.

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  • MrWoodson said... (original post)

    blah

    ATTN: MrWindy

    (You apparently missed this post earlier...or are you still thinking about a response?)

    "And Steve Fisher doesn't need exonerating. He hasn't done anything wrong."

    Do "minor" violations count? Does lying to your AD count?

    "Fisher was not implicated. Period."

    Do "minor" violations count? Those count, right? You know that Martin was present during a home visit by STEVE FISHER, and "contacted" the student-athlete during that home visit, right? You know that's a violation, right? You know that was in the NCAA report, right?

    Love the ignorance/arrogance.

    You're an embarrassment to Michigan fans.

  • Due51 said... (original post)

    Nothing like throwing around wild a accusations and referring to me as a supremacist. Why don't you go fy. Dickhead.

    Btw, the name Tom is derived from Gholson's officiIal visit when people on campus were calling him that. There is nothing in reference to Uncle Tom or any other idiotic fabricated bullshit that spews from your ignorant Pie hole.

    Sure thing, Heil Lewan!

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  • Hey looks like the arguing has died down. So let's talk about something we all like: Ernie Harwell. Greatest Michigander of all time?
    Somewhat related: Who is the jackass that fired him? What kind of despicable scumbag would do such a thing?

    Aaaand go.

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  • Rocket_Play said... (original post)

    Hey looks like the arguing has died down. So let's talk about something we all like: Ernie Harwell. Greatest Michigander of all time?
    Somewhat related: Who is the jackass that fired him? What kind of despicable scumbag would do such a thing?

    Aaaand go.

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

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  • Due51 said... (original post)

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

    Since that story does not fit my agenda I choose not to believe it.

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    Due51 said... (original post)

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

    Wow at the end of his career you're saying Bo became a corporate yes man and lackey and cowtowed to a wimpy corporate boss and lost his stand up ability take charge mantra and do the right thing attitude? I hope you're lying. Bo was a man I respected. You're spitting on his grave. I'd rather believe Bo said screw it I think this is what's best for the tigers. It's my decision. Now you're telling me he was doing a scum buckets bidding because he became a company lackey and stopped being Bo? He didn't want to fire Ernie but did anyway? That sucks. You ruined my image of a legend. However, I'll believe you. You said you were working for the tigers. I feel like someone just told me Santa isn't real.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Wow at the end of his career you're saying Bo became a corporate yes man and lackey and cowtowed to a wimpy corporate boss and lost his stand up ability take charge mantra and do the right thing attitude? I hope you're lying. Bo was a man I respected. You're spitting on his grave. I'd rather believe Bo said screw it I think this is what's best for the tigers. It's my decision. Now you're telling me he was doing a scum buckets bidding because he became a company lackey and stopped being Bo? He didn't want to fire Ernie but did anyway? That sucks. You ruined my image of a legend. However, I'll believe you. You said you were working for the tigers. I feel like someone just told me Santa isn't real.

    Time to throw out that "Lessons from Bo" book I've read over and over. It's a fraud. We also would have accepted:
    Bo didn't want him. Character issues.

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  • Due51 said... (original post)

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

    I suppose you were in charge of the marketing department that suggested hiring a younger announcer?

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    Rocket_Play said... (original post)

    Time to throw out that "Lessons from Bo" book I've read over and over. It's a fraud. We also would have accepted:
    Bo didn't want him. Character issues.

    Not joking about my respect for Bo. In 1972 I sat in his office with my dad, Hans Nielson and Bob Bialik. They were the punter and kicker for my dads hs football team. Back then recruiting wasn't like it is now. My dad had all star kickers and no college knew. Anyway he asked Michigan if he could bring them down for a look. Bo had heard Hans made a forty some yarder and had hit the upright with a 60 yard try. He had them both in. It was raining that day on the practice field and I was snagging balls. I was 10. Bobby was launching 70 yard total length punts and Hans was hitting 55 yarders. Later in his office Bo said he had nothing for Hans but wanted Bobby. Bobby was an athlete Hans was a kicker. I was wet and Bo yelled to someone to bring a practice jersey in for me. He threw it to me and said " suit up" I was in awe. This was a god. Bobby never went because of grades. He did get a half season or less with the Browns and made a college all star game. Hans ended up at MSU after a year or so in the Denmark army then kicked for the Bears for a bit. I stll have the jersey. It's all white and non-descript. But I know who threw it to me that day. I'll always remember it.

    Now this guy ruins my image of him.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Not joking about my respect for Bo. In 1972 I sat in his office with my dad, Hans Nielson and Bob Bialik. They were the punter and kicker for my dads hs football team. Back then recruiting wasn't like it is now. My dad had all star kickers and no college knew. Anyway he asked Michigan if he could bring them down for a look. Bo had heard Hans made a forty some yarder and had hit the upright with a 60 yard try. He had them both in. It was raining that day on the practice field and I was snagging balls. I was 10. Bobby was launching 70 yard total length punts and Hans was hitting 55 yarders. Later in his office Bo said he had nothing for Hans but wanted Bobby. Bobby was an athlete Hans was a kicker. I was wet and Bo yelled to someone to bring a practice jersey in for me. He threw it to me and said " suit up" I was in awe. This was a god. Bobby never went because of grades. He did get a half season or less with the Browns and made a college all star game. Hans ended up at MSU after a year or so in the Denmark army then kicked for the Bears for a bit. I stll have the jersey. It's all white and non-descript. But I know who threw it to me that day. I'll always remember it.

    Now this guy ruins my image of him.

    lol

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    NigelUno said... (original post)

    lol

    Sure you probably thought it was funny when toto pulled the curtain back on the wizard of oz. I bet you cheered for the flying monkeys.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Sure you probably thought it was funny when toto pulled the curtain back on the wizard of oz. I bet you cheered for the flying monkeys.

    Flying monkeys? panic

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    So does both teams crapping the bed on Saturday take away any of the excitement for Tuesday?

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  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    So does both teams crapping the bed on Saturday take away any of the excitement for Tuesday?

    Dude.

    NW is legit. Iowa is horrible. You can't compare the 2 games.

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    NigelUno said... (original post)

    Dude.

    NW is legit. Iowa is horrible. You can't compare the 2 games.

    Iowa f'n blows, but man I demand better...we should of taken NW. That was a bad loss for us.

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    Due51 said... (original post)

    The truth is, Monaghan didn't want to renew his contract and Bo was the one who had to deliver the message. You won't believe that, but I worked for the Tigers then and it's 100% fact.

    And you didn't stand up for Ernie? You are an f'n wuss.

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  • steveschneider said... (original post)

    Iowa f'n blows, but man I demand better...we should of taken NW. That was a bad loss for us.

    Yup, should have won. NU is solid but they aren't good. Iowa is horrible.

    I was fairly confident going into the UM game a couple of days ago. I don't think we win now. Probably a split series this year.