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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I think you may have taken a little more offense to my comment than I intended. I did admit I was being nitpicky, and I also admitted that your assumption that you're going to get good QB Play from cousins is a safe assumption... I totally think it's likely to happen.

    I think it's perfectly fair for you to draw the conclusion that cousins will continue his strong play based on all the evidence you have for you. It's just not fair for you to say you know for a fact, that was my main nitpick.

    Just as I'm not saying I know for a fact that there will be a definite improvement between the spring game and the first game. Just that it's likely a very safe assumption.

    Oh, I didn't take offense, sorry if it came across that way.

    In terms of safe assumptions, I think MSU has more than UM; not surprising given the coaching changes, etc. Here's a new topic/question; who out of your 2011 class do you expect to contribute? Looking through it, I'd assume Hayes and Countess will get in the mix.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Oh, I didn't take offense, sorry if it came across that way.

    In terms of safe assumptions, I think MSU has more than UM; not surprising given the coaching changes, etc. Here's a new topic/question; who out of your 2011 class do you expect to contribute? Looking through it, I'd assume Hayes and Countess will get in the mix.

    Matt Wile the kicker, and I would actually put Thomas Rawls in a position to get more playing time than Hayes. We have already have shifty fast RB's, we only have one real bruiser in Hopkins, Rawls would be the other bruiser to take pressure off.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Hoffelcopter said... (original post)

    Matt Wile the kicker, and I would actually put Thomas Rawls in a position to get more playing time than Hayes. We have already have shifty fast RB's, we only have one real bruiser in Hopkins, Rawls would be the other bruiser to take pressure off.

    Any DL/LB help on the way? How about TE?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Oh, I didn't take offense, sorry if it came across that way.

    In terms of safe assumptions, I think MSU has more than UM; not surprising given the coaching changes, etc. Here's a new topic/question; who out of your 2011 class do you expect to contribute? Looking through it, I'd assume Hayes and Countess will get in the mix.


    I would totally agree with you there, MSU has more safe bets than U of M has.

    Hayes is highly rated, but is a bit too small for our system. He's either going to move to slot receiver, or based off what the coaches have been saying, redshirt a year and put on 20+lbs. Thomas Rawls is the name you see getting tossed around a lot as the RB that is going to come in and do something. Many believe he has an extremely legit shot of being the starter come fall.

    I think Countess has a good shot of getting some playing time at corner, however still wouldn't be shocked to see him redshift this year.

    Other people I expect/think will contribute are TE - Chris Barnett, LB - Antonio Pool, and OL - Chris Bryant.

    I know having an OL on there is crazy since the majority of O-Lineman redshirt. But everything i've read and seen about chris is that he has the ability to come in and contribute right away.

    Other than that I don't really know of too many incoming recurits that are likely to be in the 2-deep. Of course that is purely off of rankings and once they get on campus it's an entirely different ballgame. Greg Brown is a current example of that, very low 3-star to Rivals, was an EE and got a lot of talk during spring practices.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I would totally agree with you there, MSU has more safe bets than U of M has.

    Hayes is highly rated, but is a bit too small for our system. He's either going to move to slot receiver, or based off what the coaches have been saying, redshirt a year and put on 20+lbs. Thomas Rawls is the name you see getting tossed around a lot as the RB that is going to come in and do something. Many believe he has an extremely legit shot of being the starter come fall.

    I think Countess has a good shot of getting some playing time at corner, however still wouldn't be shocked to see him redshift this year.

    Other people I expect/think will contribute are TE - Chris Barnett, LB - Antonio Pool, and OL - Chris Bryant.

    I know having an OL on there is crazy since the majority of O-Lineman redshirt. But everything i've read and seen about chris is that he has the ability to come in and contribute right away.

    Other than that I don't really know of too many incoming recurits that are likely to be in the 2-deep. Of course that is purely off of rankings and once they get on campus it's an entirely different ballgame. Greg Brown is a current example of that, very low 3-star to Rivals, was an EE and got a lot of talk during spring practices.

    Exactly what I was going to say to reply to your question SpartanRocky.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I would totally agree with you there, MSU has more safe bets than U of M has.

    Hayes is highly rated, but is a bit too small for our system. He's either going to move to slot receiver, or based off what the coaches have been saying, redshirt a year and put on 20+lbs. Thomas Rawls is the name you see getting tossed around a lot as the RB that is going to come in and do something. Many believe he has an extremely legit shot of being the starter come fall.

    I think Countess has a good shot of getting some playing time at corner, however still wouldn't be shocked to see him redshift this year.

    Other people I expect/think will contribute are TE - Chris Barnett, LB - Antonio Pool, and OL - Chris Bryant.

    I know having an OL on there is crazy since the majority of O-Lineman redshirt. But everything i've read and seen about chris is that he has the ability to come in and contribute right away.

    Other than that I don't really know of too many incoming recurits that are likely to be in the 2-deep. Of course that is purely off of rankings and once they get on campus it's an entirely different ballgame. Greg Brown is a current example of that, very low 3-star to Rivals, was an EE and got a lot of talk during spring practices.

    Would suck to have to use a true frosh OL. I know you've got Demens and Cam Gordon at LB . . . who's your 3rd LB?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Would suck to have to use a true frosh OL. I know you've got Demens and Cam Gordon at LB . . . who's your 3rd LB?

    Good question :D.

    Mike Jones is the starter penciled in right now. Marrell Evans certainly has a shot come fall, as would be Antonio Pool once he gets on campus.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Would suck to have to use a true frosh OL. I know you've got Demens and Cam Gordon at LB . . . who's your 3rd LB?

    Most likely if he would play his first year it would be RT, Taylor Lewan has the starting LT position locked down right now.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Good question :D.

    Mike Jones is the starter penciled in right now. Marrell Evans certainly has a shot come fall, as would be Antonio Pool once he gets on campus.

    I don't recall Mike Jones in terms of recruiting, coudl you give me some stats?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I don't recall Mike Jones in terms of recruiting, coudl you give me some stats?

    Run of the mill 3-star from the '09 recuriting class. Was pegged a bit more for the hybrid OLB/S Spot in our 3-3-5 defense. Hasn't really done much while on campus, dealt with injuries a bit here and there. There was a little hype about him during last seasons spring practices, but don't remember hearing too much about him this spring.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I don't recall Mike Jones in terms of recruiting, coudl you give me some stats?

    I was curious myself because I thought Mike Jones was a rapper.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Mike-Jones-80541

    It turns out he was a safety coming out of HS.

  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    spartanstate said... (original post)

    I was curious myself because I thought Mike Jones was a rapper.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Mike-Jones-80541

    It turns out he was a safety coming out of HS.

    Gotcha.

    Wait . . . . so now they have 2 converted safeties at LB? Gordon and Jones? Oh man, no wonder they're killing it in LB recruiting right now.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Run of the mill 3-star from the '09 recuriting class. Was pegged a bit more for the hybrid OLB/S Spot in our 3-3-5 defense. Hasn't really done much while on campus, dealt with injuries a bit here and there. There was a little hype about him during last seasons spring practices, but don't remember hearing too much about him this spring.

    Just looked at your 2009 class, talk about attrition . . . . Forcier, Turner, and Vlad Emilian all gone . . . is Anthony LaLota still with the team?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • I would put my money on Jake Ryan.

  • Actually yes, xxmgobluexx is correct on this part. Jake Ryan would be my vote. He's perfect for the MLB position, Demens will most likely move to an OLB position. He played very well in spring practice and the spring game. I forgot about him honestly, he will mos likely end up taking the final LB position.

    Real smart football player.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Just looked at your 2009 class, talk about attrition . . . . Forcier, Turner, and Vlad Emilian all gone . . . is Anthony LaLota still with the team?

    As for as I know yes, we also lost Cullen Christian, Ray Vinopal, and potentially DJ Williamson. There has been some rumblings of him not being on the team anymore. Though I can't seem to find any hard evidence.

    Cullen Christian and Ray Vinopal left for Pittsburgh I believe.

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  • No way, Demens will definitely stay at MLB, he is a tackle to tacle LB. I would like to see Ryan move to SAM like he played in the spring game and Cam and Jones fight it out for the WILL position. It sounds like they both have put on some good weight and I have heard that Jones might have grown a couple inches since he got there. I think people will be surprised at how improved our D will be compared to last year. I also know for a fact (straight from Borges) that we will play from the gun a lot this season and what you saw at the spring game was him slowly adding some more prostyle to the offense and that a lot of what they used they haven't practiced much at all. People will be surprised at the overall improvement of this team and some of the player who just weren't used right or were too young to understand all the changes under RRod. I feel real good about 8-9 wins. This is not a flame to the Spartans either but I also think they weren't as good as their fans think last year. The did beat a good Wisky team and I give them a lot of credit for that, but who else did they beat? 8 games they played were in the state of Michigan. The got absolutely destroyed by Bama and Iowa and beat one of the worst Penn State and Michigan teams in recent history along with a Notre Dame team that even we beat. Then you throw in those lackluster performances against Purdue and Northwestern and it was not a very impressive 11 win season. Like I said, I am not trying to flame, just saying it like I saw it. I think its more likely MSU wins 7 games than they win 10 this year.

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  • Youngstown State - W
    Florida Atlantic - W
    @ Notre Dame - W/L
    Central Michigan - W
    @ Ohio State - L
    Michigan - W/L (My Michigan bias makes me think it's a toss-up with adv MSU)
    Wisconsin - W
    @ Nebraska - L
    Minnesota - W
    @ Iowa - W/L
    Indiana - W
    @ Northwestern - W/L

    I see them going 50/50 on those W/L, I see 8-4 for them at worst with potential to go up to 10-2. I think Northwestern is going to sneak up on some teams this year, that includes us.

    Again this my prediction, not flaming here. Just my prediction.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Hoffelcopter said... (original post)

    Youngstown State - W Florida Atlantic - W @ Notre Dame - W/L Central Michigan - W @ Ohio State - L Michigan - W/L (My Michigan bias makes me think it's a toss-up with adv MSU) Wisconsin - W @ Nebraska - L Minnesota - W @ Iowa - W/L Indiana - W @ Northwestern - W/L

    I see them going 50/50 on those W/L, I see 8-4 for them at worst with potential to go up to 10-2. I think Northwestern is going to sneak up on some teams this year, that includes us.

    Again this my prediction, not flaming here. Just my prediction.

    While I think Northwestern shouldn't be overlooked, MSU is 3-1 against them under Dantonio and the only loss was an OT shootout in 2007. We've got their system pretty much figured out.

    Overall, a fair assessment, though I'm pretty confident about our match-up with you guys this year. If our DL is as good as advertised, MSU could make some big noise in Columbus, since we're playing against a very young QB and LT.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Just looked at your 2009 class, talk about attrition . . . . Forcier, Turner, and Vlad Emilian all gone . . . is Anthony LaLota still with the team?

    LaLota transferred.

    http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2010/09/lalota_is_happy_to_be_a_scarle.html

  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    c_woodson said... (original post)

    LaLota transferred.

    http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2010/09/lalota_is_happy_to_be_a_scarle.html

    I thought I remembered that, didn't have time to look it up. It's a good thing for you guys that Hoke kept most of team together, at least you'll have decent #s in terms of raw bodies.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I thought I remembered that, didn't have time to look it up. It's a good thing for you guys that Hoke kept most of team together, at least you'll have decent #s in terms of raw bodies.

    The interesting thing about most of Michigan's transfers is none of them have really panned out at with their new team (and a lot of times they drop down to lower level schools).

    LaLota was a 4/5 star player. Totally over-rated.
    Emilien was a 4-star and is now in the MAC I believe?
    Dann O'Neil 4-star at WMU now
    JT Turner 5-star...who knows where he currently is.

    The list goes on. Michigan is competing with ND for most over-rated recruiting classes over the last 5 years or so.

  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    c_woodson said... (original post)

    The interesting thing about most of Michigan's transfers is none of them have really panned out at with their new team (and a lot of times they drop down to lower level schools).

    LaLota was a 4/5 star player. Totally over-rated. Emilien was a 4-star and is now in the MAC I believe? Dann O'Neil 4-star at WMU now JT Turner 5-star...who knows where he currently is.

    The list goes on. Michigan is competing with ND for most over-rated recruiting classes over the last 5 years or so.

    Was surprised about O'Neil, he seemed like a slam-dunk, next Jake Long-type.

    Your DB luck in the past 18-24 months has been terrible. I know overall the recruiting stars are a decent gauge of a team's talent, but there's a reason games aren't played on paper. I know you're bringing in a lot of DBs this year, and I'd expect 2-4 of them to play right away.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Was surprised about O'Neil, he seemed like a slam-dunk, next Jake Long-type.

    Your DB luck in the past 18-24 months has been terrible. I know overall the recruiting stars are a decent gauge of a team's talent, but there's a reason games aren't played on paper. I know you're bringing in a lot of DBs this year, and I'd expect 2-4 of them to play right away.

    Probably won't happen, we're getting Troy Woolfolk back who missed last year with an ankle injury. We also have JT Floyd and Courtney Avery is starting to look real good. Greg Brown impressed the coaches this spring, he's the only True Freshman I see playing at any DB position next year, and I don't really see any DB's from the 2012 starting as True Freshman either. You have to be an extremely good athlete, even on D-1 college terms to start as a True Freshman at CB.

    As for the S positions, it's still up in the air. We have Marvin Robinson, Josh Furman, Jordan Kovacs, and Thomas Gordon fighting for those positions. That's where we need the depth. Marvin and Josh are both RS Freshman, Kovacs will be a Junior, and Thomas Gordon will be a RS Sophomore.

    We need some true safeties, pretty badly.

    For CB 2011:
    Troy Woolfolk RS Senior
    Courtney Avery Sophomore
    JT Floyd RS Junior
    Terrence Talbott Sophomore
    Greg Brown True Freshman
    Tamani Carter True Freshman
    Blake Countess True Freshman
    Delonte Hollowell True Freshman

    So by 2012 we will only lose 2 CB's. Safety positions are my biggest fear for the future on the defense.

    So I guess we could see a player starting early in Greg Brown, but most likely the guys from the 2012 class realistically won't see the field (not counting special teams) till their RS Sophomore year and later. Unless they move to safety where they would have a better shot at early playing time.

    I think next year our CB's will be Woolfolk and Avery, with Greg Brown and JT Floyd being their backups.

    For Safety Jordan Kovacs and Marvin Robinson/Josh Furman, with the edge to Josh Furman. It will still be a young backfield.

    This post was edited by Hoffelcopter 3 years ago

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  • Wolverine247

    c_woodson

    Marvin Robinson did not redshirt (sadly). He is a true soph.