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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    My opinion:

    Roy Roundtree (RS Jr - 6'0 176) - He's been on a lot of the "preseason all-big 10" lists, and for good reason. He had a great season, but Big M's concerns are legitimate. Most of his big plays were as a result of Denard's fake run and him being wide open, so we'll see how good his route running is. He has also had a very bad case of the drops (see: OSU game, IIRC) which he has to fix.

    Darryl Stonum (Sr - 6'2 195) - His case is very well documented, but I think he plays next year. It's also not out of the question for him to redshirt and take the year off, but we'll see. If he plays, he's probably going to be our top receiver ahead of Roundtree. He's more reliable IMO, has great hands, and is a tremendous return man. I want to make an example out of him disciplinary-wise, but we really need him

    Junior Hemingway (RS Sr - 6'1 225) - Our most experienced receiver. He's not really shown much, as I said in my post above, and Michigan really needs him to step up to be the third (or second, if Stonum doesn't play) option. I think he has a lot of potential, and I see a breakout year from him

    Martavious Odoms (Sr - 5'8 175) - A couple years ago, Odoms was our top receiver. He was hampered by an injury last year (against you, IIRC) and didn't play much of the year. He's a short, quick guy who will not beat anyone over the top, but can take the short passes and make a lot of guys miss. That's a theme with our receivers, who are great after the catch. That's why we really need to recruit more of a jump ball guy in my mind.

    These are our best bets for WR, but other guys to keep an eye on are Je'ron Stokes (Jr - 6'0 193) and our slot ninja clusterf*ck of Grady (RS Sr), Terrance Robinson (RS Jr), Jeremy Gallon (RS So) and Drew Dileo (So)

    At TE, we have Kevin Koger (Sr) who will be our go-to guy. One of the leaders of our team, he hasn't had much experience catching the ball in RR's offense, but he'll be used a lot next year. He's also gotta teach some young, inexperienced albeit talented guys. Ricardo Miller (RS Fr) was originally a highly recruited WR before things fell apart, but he's bulked up and could emerge as our second TE. Chris Barnett (Fr) might need to take a redshirt year to recover from an injury he has, but he's got a lot of upside

    Sorry for the long write-up, I feel like Rocky! lol

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  • Harry Callahan said... (original post)

    Wait, Stonum is back on the team after his 3rd arrest?

    Had no idea. When did this happen?

    Not yet, but rumblings are there's a chance.

    Also, it's only two arrests. The suspended license was just a citation and that is being dismissed as part of his plea deal.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Ducksworth said... (original post)

    My opinion:

    Roy Roundtree (RS Jr - 6'0 176) - He's been on a lot of the "preseason all-big 10" lists, and for good reason. He had a great season, but Big M's concerns are legitimate. Most of his big plays were as a result of Denard's fake run and him being wide open, so we'll see how good his route running is. He has also had a very bad case of the drops (see: OSU game, IIRC) which he has to fix.

    Darryl Stonum (Sr - 6'2 195) - His case is very well documented, but I think he plays next year. It's also not out of the question for him to redshirt and take the year off, but we'll see. If he plays, he's probably going to be our top receiver ahead of Roundtree. He's more reliable IMO, has great hands, and is a tremendous return man. I want to make an example out of him disciplinary-wise, but we really need him

    Junior Hemingway (RS Sr - 6'1 225) - Our most experienced receiver. He's not really shown much, as I said in my post above, and Michigan really needs him to step up to be the third (or second, if Stonum doesn't play) option. I think he has a lot of potential, and I see a breakout year from him

    Martavious Odoms (Sr - 5'8 175) - A couple years ago, Odoms was our top receiver. He was hampered by an injury last year (against you, IIRC) and didn't play much of the year. He's a short, quick guy who will not beat anyone over the top, but can take the short passes and make a lot of guys miss. That's a theme with our receivers, who are great after the catch. That's why we really need to recruit more of a jump ball guy in my mind.

    These are our best bets for WR, but other guys to keep an eye on are Je'ron Stokes (Jr - 6'0 193) and our slot ninja clusterf*ck of Grady (RS Sr), Terrance Robinson (RS Jr), Jeremy Gallon (RS So) and Drew Dileo (So)

    At TE, we have Kevin Koger (Sr) who will be our go-to guy. One of the leaders of our team, he hasn't had much experience catching the ball in RR's offense, but he'll be used a lot next year. He's also gotta teach some young, inexperienced albeit talented guys. Ricardo Miller (RS Fr) was originally a highly recruited WR before things fell apart, but he's bulked up and could emerge as our second TE. Chris Barnett (Fr) might need to take a redshirt year to recover from an injury he has, but he's got a lot of upside

    Sorry for the long write-up, I feel like Rocky! lol

    Thanks? lol

    FWIW, I like Koger as a pass-catcher. He burned our D a few times in 2009.

    I didn't think Hemingway produced as much as he did last year, 32 receptions, 593 yards 18.5 YPC, 4 TDs AND he didn't play vs. UConn, ND or tOSU? That's 3/4 of the season. A full year's projection would be 40 receptions, 741 yards and 5 TDs. Did he have injury problems last year? Sounds like this kid could be a really nice weapon. He had 3 monster games too; Indiana (3 catches 129 yards confused, TD), Iowa (9 catches, 134 yards, 1 TD) and Illinois (6 catches, 104 yards 2 TDs). Seems like when he's on, he's ON. When he's not . . . his next best effort was a 3 catch, 50 yard game vs. Purdue and he had 4 catches for 49 yards in the bowl game.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    Don't worry, it was a compliment! I enjoy reading your stuff here and in the Big Ten Roundtables.

    And that actually really surprised me. I wasn't aware that he had that much contribution. I stand corrected predicting a "breakout" year, then. He had a shoulder injury that he suffered in the Purdue game, which is when he missed the games. Between him and Odoms being gone for some of the year, that's probably a big reason why Roundtree had such a good year.

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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    We'll lose Hemingway, Stonum, Odoms, and Grady, and Terrance Robinson probably won't get his 5th year. Roundtree would need a better year than last year to go pro, which I don't see happening with the new offense, Odoms and Hemingway healthy, and more attention. Him and Denard both need to learn new routes, he probably won't fit as well, and there will be more options at WR

    So then in 2012, our WR corps would be: Roundtree, Stokes, Jeremy Jackson, Drew Dileo, Jeremy Gallon, and Jerald Robinson. Which is scary. Hopefully we can add Jordan Payton and Amara Darboh to that list pray

    EDIT: Noticed Due51 has Kelvin Grady as a RS Jr, and I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. He's a 5th year senior

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Ducksworth said... (original post)

    We'll lose Hemingway, Stonum, Odoms, and Grady, and Terrance Robinson probably won't get his 5th year. Roundtree would need a better year than last year, which I don't see happening with the new offense, Odoms and Hemingway healthy, and more attention.

    So then in 2012, our WR corps would be: Roundtree, Stokes, Jeremy Jackson, Drew Dileo, Jeremy Gallon, and Jerald Robinson. Which is scary. Hopefully we can add Jordan Payton and Amara Darboh to that list pray

    EDIT: Noticed Due51 has Kelvin Grady as a RS Jr, and I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. He's a 5th year senior

    Wow. That's as bad as MSU's attrition, though we're comfortable with the guys coming through the system (particularly Fowler and Mumphery). Why aren't you guys taking 3 WRs this year? If Roundtree goes pro . . . .yikes.

    This post was edited by MalibuMan 3 years ago

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Ducksworth said... (original post)

    We'll lose Hemingway, Stonum, Odoms, and Grady, and Terrance Robinson probably won't get his 5th year. Roundtree would need a better year than last year, which I don't see happening with the new offense, Odoms and Hemingway healthy, and more attention.

    So then in 2012, our WR corps would be: Roundtree, Stokes, Jeremy Jackson, Drew Dileo, Jeremy Gallon, and Jerald Robinson. Which is scary. Hopefully we can add Jordan Payton and Amara Darboh to that list pray

    EDIT: Noticed Due51 has Kelvin Grady as a RS Jr, and I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. He's a 5th year senior

    I'm really hoping Je'Ron Stokes shows something this year. If we're going to have a capable WR Corps next year, he needs to step up.

    Outside WR:
    Stokes
    Jackons
    Robinson

    Slot WR:
    Roundtree
    Dileo
    Gallon

    Not much depth there at all...we really need to hit the WR recruiting hard in 2013.

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  • I don't think we can fit 3 recievers in this class because of numbers. With the lack of depth on the Oline and Dline Hoke really needed to focus on those areas. Maybe if we hadn't been so lucky in landing so many quality guys on the oline and dline Hoke would think about taking 3 but now its just not possible.

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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    Rocky, it comes down to where Hoke wanted to fix depth. And he chose the trenches instead of WR. Which I'm not arguing with. In a normal class, we probably would have taken three, but we also had a huge need to fill depth at OL, DL, and DB. As long as the two WRs we take are pretty highly rated (our options are basically: Darboh, Payton, Jehu Chesson, Darius Powe, Madaris, and semi-kinda-maybe Stefon Diggs), then I'm ok.

    We also have a couple guys already in our sights for 2013, in LaQuon Treadwell (who basically said that he's waiting for an offer and then he'll commit), and ____ (can't think of the first name) Oliver out of TX who will probably be hard to pull out of Texas, but we've made an impression at least

    EDIT: Man, I've gotta work on typing faster. That's the second time someone's beaten me to a response while I'm typing.. Time for finger workouts

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Wow. Why aren't you guys taking 3 WRs this year? If Roundtree goes pro . . . .yikes.

    Roundtree is not good enough to go pro. Definitely need at least 2 this year and 2 the next. 2013 is where the depth chart gets scary.

  • It was said the other day that Nebraska might actually lead for Madaris now. I think it came from someone at Scout, but it could of been from someone at Rivals.

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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    Pretty sure it was Trieu, who is pretty reliable. Madaris isn't my favorite WR that we're after, and we're in good position with a couple more. That offer really surprised me, as we were in on a lot of WRs and arrived very late to the party for him.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Ducksworth said... (original post)

    Rocky, it comes down to where Hoke wanted to fix depth. And he chose the trenches instead of WR. Which I'm not arguing with. In a normal class, we probably would have taken three, but we also had a huge need to fill depth at OL, DL, and DB. As long as the two WRs we take are pretty highly rated (our options are basically: Darboh, Payton, Jehu Chesson, Darius Powe, Madaris, and semi-kinda-maybe Stefon Diggs), then I'm ok.

    We also have a couple guys already in our sites for 2013, in LaQuon Treadwell (who basically said that he's waiting for an offer and then he'll commit), and ____ (can't think of the first name) Oliver out of TX who will probably be hard to pull out of Texas, but we've made an impression at least

    EDIT: Man, I've gotta work on typing faster. That's the second time someone's beaten me to a response while I'm typing.. Time for finger workouts

    That's probably smart; I guess I was under the impression you guys were taking over 25 guys, and were already done with OL, TE, DL, LB and weren't taking a QB. That leaves DB (I think you have 3 already signed, plus 5 I think from last class, can't imagine taking more than 1 more), RB, WR left. Figure you take 1 DB, 1-2 RBs (not counting your FB here) and 2-3 WRs. Or you take 1 more OL, and reduce the # of another position by 1.

    Just seems weird to completely neglect the skill positions for an entire class, no matter how bad your OL/DL are. If I were a UM fan, I'd pray hard the Rawls/Hayes works out well, because it may be another 2 seasons before you get a quality RB (assuming no high level RBs commit this year, there's still time).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    The rest of our class is looking like it'll be 2 WR, 1 DT, 1 RB, and 1 OT. The RB would be Dunn or would go towards taking a second DT. And then Steve comes out with a story about us recruiting Armani Reeves again, and throws everything out of whack. Maybe the RB/DT spot could be another CB?

    We'll probably end up with 26 or even 27 spots (Don't ask where those spots are coming from, I have no idea)

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  • SpartanRocky,

    We are not done on the DL. We still need at least one DT in this class but hoping for 2. Also, looking for one more OL. that would put us at 23 or 24 right there. Just recently they have said they want another high caliber corner. I still think they are looking for a running back for this class as well.

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    SpartanRocky,

    We are not done on the DL. We still need at least one DT in this class but hoping for 2. Also, looking for one more OL. that would put us at 23 or 24 right there. Just recently they have said they want another high caliber corner. I still think they are looking for a running back for this class as well.

    Can you fit 27 guys on scholarship this year? That's a huge class.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • The coaches were saying 25 or 26 a while back. There has been some unsuspected attrition so who knows they might be able to get to 27. There has already been some medical redshirts given so we stand at like 22 maybe 23 available right now. I wouldn't be suprised to see a couple transfers and a couple guys not be given a fifth year.

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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    Possibly. More realistically, 26. There's very infant rumors that someone else just transfered, and people are saying it's Vincent Smith. So between not renewing fifth years, the medical hardships, Kellen Jones, and inevitable transfers, we'll see 26 or 27 IMO

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  • SpartanTailgate

    SpartanRocky

    Ducksworth said... (original post)

    Possibly. More realistically, 26. There's very infant rumors that someone else just transfered, and people are saying it's Vincent Smith. So between not renewing fifth years, the medical hardships, Kellen Jones, and inevitable transfers, we'll see 26 or 27 IMO

    I'd assume your 2013 class would be closer to 20 then? 26 is still a lot, and you guys haven't had a ton of guys leave right away like you did under RichRod. You guys have been recruiting very well, so I'm not knocking on the quality of guys being brought in, but I do question, in a class where you're taking 26, why there isn't a bit more balance. Not taking a QB seems very odd, even with Morris committed for 2013.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • I am not really sure i agree that the class isn't balanced. Defensively we have like 4 DBs, 4 LBs, 5 DL so far. Offensively, 5 OL, 1 fb, 2 Te, were looking for 2 wrs. The coaches have said they want a RB and QB for this class so not taking one is a lot of speculation from us fans. Right now we have 5 or 6 spots left. From what the coaches are telling recruits its 1 DT, 2 WRS and then its up in th air for the other 2 or 3 positions depending on who commits. I mean we will take another OL if its Diamond, Garnett, Banner, Bisnowaty. Running back if its Dunn, Garmon, Marshall. They would of loved Kiel and are recruiting Devin Fuller for QB. I think the WR,RB,QB thing so far is just they haven't landed the guys they want for those postions.

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  • For 2013 i think we are looking at 18-20.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Just seems weird to completely neglect the skill positions for an entire class, no matter how bad your OL/DL are. If I were a UM fan, I'd pray hard the Rawls/Hayes works out well, because it may be another 2 seasons before you get a quality RB (assuming no high level RBs commit this year, there's still time).

    Shaw - senior
    Cox - rs junior
    Smith - junior
    Touissant - rs sophomore
    Hopkins - sophomore
    Hayes - freshman
    Rawls - freshman

    McColgan FB - rs senior
    Kerridge FB - freshman

    Houma FB - 2012 commit

    All but Shaw will return next year and IF there's no other 2012 RB taken, we'll have Touissant, Hopkins, Hayes, and Rawls along with Houma and Kerridge the following year. It's not Sparty-stacked, but it's not a bare cupboard.

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    HAIL

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    67-31-5 smoke

    sparty talking again...lol

    shut up, know your place

    Go Blue!

    You sort of trolled your own Michigan thread.
    There's a time and a place. I'm pretty sure this was neither.

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    HAIL

  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    I completely understand people wanting to take a QB every year, but I personally do not want one this year, unless it's Fuller, who can play any position under the sun. It sounds like that's gonna happen, and we can focus on WR, DT, and maybe RB/OL.

    I'm assuming you mean a balanced class between skill players and linemen, because our class is very balanced defensively to offensively. And in that case, I do agree with you. However, I'm not worried about our outlook at RB or QB. You can argue that Gardner and Robinson may not be the pro-style type we need, as I've seen a lot over on tRCMB, but that's just something the coaches will deal with in their play calling. I'm very confident in Bellomy, who I feel will surprise people, and hopefully Morris lives up to the hype to be a 2-3 year starter.

    The only skill position that we really need to fix depth at is WR, and we're adressing that with 2 this class and probably (hopefully) a couple more next year.

    So personally, I think our class is very well rounded in terms of our needs.

    BTW, this has been an eerily calm and informative discussion for this thread.. So.. uhh MSU sucks?

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  • Wolverine247

    Ducksworth

    Ah, I stand corrected. Thatblueguy posted while I was typing. Thanks a lot for your worthwhile contribution. It really brightened my day, and I'm sure it did the same for everyone here.

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