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    DWags

    Beer Baron. What defense does Mattison pop into more then any other?

    Any announcement by J.Ira and Nick Harris family Head Coach Brady Hoke, as to what he wants to do with Peppers yet?

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  • DWags said... (original post)

    Beer Baron. What defense does Mattison pop into more then any other?

    Any announcement by J.Ira and Nick Harris family Head Coach Brady Hoke, as to what he wants to do with Peppers yet?

    Scheme? Front? Coverage?

    Last year Michigan was about 47/47/6 with 4-3 Under/Nickel Even/4-3 Over. They were probably considered a cover 3 base, but for the most part were heavily multiple. Started running more Cover 4 against spread teams later in the year.

    This year they are looking to go more 4-3 Over, but they'll still roll with the nickel package and they still showed probably at least 10% Under. I wasn't watching the coverage a ton, but for the most part it was a single high defense. Not sure yet if it was a Cover 1 press man, Cover 1 press with a SS robber, or if it was a Cover 3 similar to the way the Seahawks run it with pressing on the outside. My guess is Cover 1 press with a robber, likely to limit the amount of run/pass difficulty for whatever young player steps in a the SS position. Usually an over front will utilize more 2-high schemes, and maybe they were just keeping it vanilla and playing to what the Michigan offense was running, but I was a bit surprised to see it was a vast majority single high schemes, even though that's been G-Matt's norm dating at least back to his days at Florida (but then again, so has an Under front).

    As for Peppers, they'll start him at nickel back, which is a pretty good fit for him as a young player. Decreases coverage difficulty as he is surrounded by more help, allows him to use his athletic ability on a variety of blitzes (I think they were working on developing a better CB blitz package a la how MSU blitzes the boundary CB vs knob formations), and be active in run support. It's a position that relies more on natural athletic ability than most other positions on the field and eases the learning curve for a transition to CB or Safety down the road.

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    DWags

    BeerBaron said... (original post)

    Scheme? Front? Coverage?

    Last year Michigan was about 47/47/6 with 4-3 Under/Nickel Even/4-3 Over. They were probably considered a cover 3 base, but for the most part were heavily multiple. Started running more Cover 4 against spread teams later in the year.

    This year they are looking to go more 4-3 Over, but they'll still roll with the nickel package and they still showed probably at least 10% Under. I wasn't watching the coverage a ton, but for the most part it was a single high defense. Not sure yet if it was a Cover 1 press man, Cover 1 press with a SS robber, or if it was a Cover 3 similar to the way the Seahawks run it with pressing on the outside. My guess is Cover 1 press with a robber, likely to limit the amount of run/pass difficulty for whatever young player steps in a the SS position. Usually an over front will utilize more 2-high schemes, and maybe they were just keeping it vanilla and playing to what the Michigan offense was running, but I was a bit surprised to see it was a vast majority single high schemes, even though that's been G-Matt's norm dating at least back to his days at Florida (but then again, so has an Under front).

    As for Peppers, they'll start him at nickel back, which is a pretty good fit for him as a young player. Decreases coverage difficulty as he is surrounded by more help, allows him to use his athletic ability on a variety of blitzes (I think they were working on developing a better CB blitz package a la how MSU blitzes the boundary CB vs knob formations), and be active in run support. It's a position that relies more on natural athletic ability than most other positions on the field and eases the learning curve for a transition to CB or Safety down the road.

    Do you think we'll see him use the over like Narduzzi does, which is pretty different then many. Press the corners right at the line, face to face, let the safeties take the two receiver on any vertical? And you know at MSU our "long" vertical might be a five yard streak by the two receiver. We see a lot of 1/4, 1/4 and 1/2 on weak side. It's a circus there sometimes.

    Sounds like the Spring didn't go great at UofM, but that your db's will be better then what they were last year. That makes stopping the run so much easier.

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    maizegoblue said... (original post)

    Wrong. I guessed it. Haven't decided if I want that badge yet.

    Its a pretty cool badge. Whats your 900 badge for? 900 comments?

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    msuballer1015 said... (original post)

    Its a pretty cool badge. Whats your 900 badge for? 900 comments?

    No answer? Seems like every one has one from wolverine land so must be something easy to obtain. Y2kmgrad has one and he is not VIP (member of RCMB now lol ) so that eliminates my theory that it is your version of the vip all access badge

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    DWags

    msuballer1015 said... (original post)

    No answer? Seems like every one has one from wolverine land so must be something easy to obtain. Y2kmgrad has one and he is not VIP (member of RCMB now lol ) so that eliminates my theory that it is your version of the vip all access badge

    The 900th program victory. (Includes all games they refused to give home&home to and some high school victories). It came in their blow out win vs Dantonio and when they rushed the field it was because of that not because it was the first victory over MSU in five years. Just ask anyone.

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  • DWags said... (original post)

    The 900th program victory. (Includes all games they refused to give home&home to and some high school victories). It came in their blow out win vs Dantonio and when they rushed the field it was because of that not because it was the first victory over MSU in five years. Just ask anyone.

    Does MSU have and count victories against any HS teams?

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    DWags

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Does MSU have and count victories against any HS teams?

    I'm sure we have them. I don't think we have any big count going. I do know that in the football office before the renovations in Coach Perles old office before you went in there, there were pictures of the coaches faces who had won the 100th, game, 200th game etc. So as any stat, I'm sure it's kept. I do think Michigan people are more into that then any I know, maybe ND is. Shirts etc. It's part of the overall brand I guess. So, yeah, I'm sure we've played Michigan School for the deaf, and East Lansing High School, and I'm sure we've counted victories. I guess I just never got the point.

    Edit: I can only get back to 1945 at MSU I'll keep looking, the high school stuff would have to come in the early 1900's pre Teddy Roosevelt tantrum.

    Interesting: 1950-53 MSU Goes 8-1, 9-0, 9-0, 8-1, then the floor drops out in 54 and they go 3-6. The next year they're 8-1 again, I believe that was another NC. 1954?? When did Ricks open?

    Second Edit:

    1920 we beat Chicago YMCA 81-0 But in 1917 we lost to Camp Macarthur 20-0. Some of those I believe were traveling football squads back then. I'll keep looking for some doozies.

    Third Edit: In 1897 and 1896 we played Lansing High School. We won 10-0 and 28-0 Both games were considered "pre-season" and they are not counted as victories.

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    Jandy

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Does MSU have and count victories against any HS teams?

    Probably. But we were a MAC level program for a long time because UM fought against additional funding for us tooth and nail. Did you know that when ACSM was originally founded, UM president Henry Tappan was so mad that the state had created a separate agricultural school instead of giving UM additional funding for agricultural studies, that he went on a 'tour' across the country giving speeches about agricultural schools being lower class than many high schools? That's pathetic, but was unfortunately a tradition passed down at UM for well over a century (we all know how UM loves their traditions!).
    We never claim to be the best all time, and I have not once seen our win total declared as a bragging point; so it isn't a big deal.

    An analogy; if you make a career as a workout specialist, and continuously brag about how great of shape you're in, but then it comes out that you had a ton of plastic surgery and lipo done, then you'll be much less credible or impressive.

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    DWags

    Jandy said... (original post)

    Probably. But we were a MAC level program for a long time because UM fought against additional funding for us tooth and nail. Did you know that when ACSM was originally founded, UM president Henry Tappan was so mad that the state had created a separate agricultural school instead of giving UM additional funding for agricultural studies, that he went on a 'tour' across the country giving speeches about agricultural schools being lower class than many high schools? That's pathetic, but was unfortunately a tradition passed down at UM for well over a century (we all know how UM loves their traditions!).

    We never claim to be the best all time, and I have not once seen our win total declared as a bragging point; so it isn't a big deal.

    An analogy; if you make a career as a workout specialist, and continuously brag about how great of shape you're in, but then it comes out that you had a ton of plastic surgery and lipo done, then you'll be much less credible or impressive.

    We played Detroit Agricultural College two or three times. Cracks me up thinking Detroit and Agriculture. That was pre-turn of the century.

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    DWags

    DWags said... (original post)

    I'm sure we have them. I don't think we have any big count going. I do know that in the football office before the renovations in Coach Perles old office before you went in there, there were pictures of the coaches faces who had won the 100th, game, 200th game etc. So as any stat, I'm sure it's kept. I do think Michigan people are more into that then any I know, maybe ND is. Shirts etc. It's part of the overall brand I guess. So, yeah, I'm sure we've played Michigan School for the deaf, and East Lansing High School, and I'm sure we've counted victories. I guess I just never got the point.

    Edit: I can only get back to 1945 at MSU I'll keep looking, the high school stuff would have to come in the early 1900's pre Teddy Roosevelt tantrum.

    Interesting: 1950-53 MSU Goes 8-1, 9-0, 9-0, 8-1, then the floor drops out in 54 and they go 3-6. The next year they're 8-1 again, I believe that was another NC. 1954?? When did Ricks open?

    Second Edit:

    1920 we beat Chicago YMCA 81-0 But in 1917 we lost to Camp Macarthur 20-0. Some of those I believe were traveling football squads back then. I'll keep looking for some doozies.

    Third Edit: In 1897 and 1896 we played Lansing High School. We won 10-0 and 28-0 Both games were considered "pre-season" and they are not counted as victories.

    Interesting site Spartans. Very well done.

    http://www.collegefootball.bz/michigan-state

    The obvious that jumps out at you is it was a very local schedule obviously due to travel.

    In 1902 we play Michigan for the first time, lose 119-0 and then play their JV and win 2-0 Count both as varsity victory and loss.

    We do play Michigan school for the deaf and count two but don't count two. I have no idea why, would love to know.

    Edit: I'm reading it wrong. I think we're counting everything, just a running total of our record on the left. I thought they might count the first game as "pre-season" and it wasn't counting.

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  • DWags said... (original post)

    I'm sure we have them. I don't think we have any big count going. I do know that in the football office before the renovations in Coach Perles old office before you went in there, there were pictures of the coaches faces who had won the 100th, game, 200th game etc. So as any stat, I'm sure it's kept. I do think Michigan people are more into that then any I know, maybe ND is. Shirts etc. It's part of the overall brand I guess. So, yeah, I'm sure we've played Michigan School for the deaf, and East Lansing High School, and I'm sure we've counted victories. I guess I just never got the point.

    Edit: I can only get back to 1945 at MSU I'll keep looking, the high school stuff would have to come in the early 1900's pre Teddy Roosevelt tantrum.

    Interesting: 1950-53 MSU Goes 8-1, 9-0, 9-0, 8-1, then the floor drops out in 54 and they go 3-6. The next year they're 8-1 again, I believe that was another NC. 1954?? When did Ricks open?

    Second Edit:

    1920 we beat Chicago YMCA 81-0 But in 1917 we lost to Camp Macarthur 20-0. Some of those I believe were traveling football squads back then. I'll keep looking for some doozies.

    Third Edit: In 1897 and 1896 we played Lansing High School. We won 10-0 and 28-0 Both games were considered "pre-season" and they are not counted as victories.

    I see the Lansing HS games and from what I see they are counted as victories.

  • DWags said... (original post)

    Interesting site Spartans. Very well done.

    http://www.collegefootball.bz/michigan-state

    The obvious that jumps out at you is it was a very local schedule obviously due to travel.

    In 1902 we play Michigan for the first time, lose 119-0 and then play their JV and win 2-0 Count both as varsity victory and loss.

    We do play Michigan school for the deaf and count two but don't count two. I have no idea why, would love to know.

    MSU is 4-0 against the school for the deaf.

    http://www.collegefootball.bz/michigan-state/opponents/michigan-deaf-school

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    DWags

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    I see the Lansing HS games and from what I see they are counted as victories.

    Yeah, I edited last post. I was looking at the left and thinking it was 0-0 record after the game and then thinking it was "pre-season".

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    DWags

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    MSU is 4-0 against the school for the deaf.

    http://www.collegefootball.bz/michigan-state/opponents/michigan-deaf-school

    What?

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  • Jandy said... (original post)

    Probably. But we were a MAC level program for a long time because UM fought against additional funding for us tooth and nail. Did you know that when ACSM was originally founded, UM president Henry Tappan was so mad that the state had created a separate agricultural school instead of giving UM additional funding for agricultural studies, that he went on a 'tour' across the country giving speeches about agricultural schools being lower class than many high schools? That's pathetic, but was unfortunately a tradition passed down at UM for well over a century (we all know how UM loves their traditions!).

    We never claim to be the best all time, and I have not once seen our win total declared as a bragging point; so it isn't a big deal.

    An analogy; if you make a career as a workout specialist, and continuously brag about how great of shape you're in, but then it comes out that you had a ton of plastic surgery and lipo done, then you'll be much less credible or impressive.

    MSU counts similar games, why attempt to belittle Michigan when MSU is doing the same? MSU doesn't brag about the total victories because it isn't an impressive total.

  • DWags said... (original post)

    What?

    Give me a minute, I need to study up.

    http://m.wikihow.com/Communicate-With-Deaf-People

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    DWags

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    MSU counts similar games, why attempt to belittle Michigan when MSU is doing the same? MSU doesn't brag about the total victories because it isn't an impressive total.

    How about we think of it this way: Both are BS? Think of your natural reaction to defend the school you love there first. Because MSU counts games against Lansing H.S. it's great to do that for every college? I think of it the opposite way. Both should be stricken. But it is what it is. I think it's a joke we have counted Lansing H.S. I do believe that school for the deaf had many older player on it. It was established as an asylum. I don't know that it went strictly high school until after WWII. I might be wrong.

    Bottom line, those games are a joke for every college. I don't get how anyone would think otherwise.

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    DWags

    xxmgobluexx said... (original post)

    Give me a minute, I need to study up.

    http://m.wikihow.com/Communicate-With-Deaf-People

    It was an "Asylum" when we played them. That must have been nuts.

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