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Nope, I agree mostly. But to be honest, RR didn't have the OL recruiting figured out either. He recruited specialties pretty well though.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
Peter is correct he wanted there to be more going on in this thread and Rocky obliged.
The failure of Rich Rodriguez had absolutely nothing to do with talent. First and foremost, he forced a square peg into a round hole by forcing Carr's prostyle recruits to play his high octane spread. Secondly, he completely neglected the defensive side of the ball in both recruiting and coaching. In looking at his recruiting classes, you can quickly see that there was far more emphasis placed on the offense especially the skill positions. Finally, the rash of mediocre defensive coordinators we had were completely inept when it came to developing and utilizing the talent they had. Regardless of the legitimacy 3-3-5, that ineptitude brought on the worst defense Michigan has ever seen.
I'll agree with that.
All I know is that people that are saying it's over for us because you guys are recruiting better I just don't buy it based on my life time (35+ years of watching the matchups between UM and MSU).
All I know is both our schools have our coaches, and going forth there's no excuses about Rich Rod or Williams/Smith.
This post was edited by steveschneider 2 years ago
I'm not saying it did, but it didn't help. Also did you actually look at all of RR's classes? He placed a heavy emphasis on D in his second class. It was his talent evaluation that doomed him.
This is exactly what I think it will be like.
I've said it before in this thread but it's never going back to how it used be. Barring unforseen circumstances, Michigan State will continue to at least be competitive with us for the division every year and battle us every year on the field. I think most years Michigan will be favored but it won't be by much unless Dantonio departs from MSU.
This post was edited by jimtaco 2 years ago
Paragraphs man... paragraphs. You get them by hitting "enter" or if you're old school, "return".
Hoke also understand that B1G games are won in the trenches and that you need to control the tempo of the game and wear down opposing defenses. Time of possession is something that RR never really cared about, and you could see it from how winded his defenses would get as games progressed. Scoring quickly is nice, but giving your defense rest and scoring on 7 minute+ drives is much more suitable for the style of play in B1G. This ain't the Big East.
Oh boy. You might get thrown off the bandwagon for that one.
Honestly, Rich Rod did so many things wrong that we could probably go for pages just about how much he sucked.
Not really, nobody is arguing that there wasn't talent on his teams. It was just poorly coached or inexperienced talent.
I mean I remember games going against Carr where I was like there's no f'n way we are going to beat those guys. And you'd get there and just moving the ball for a 1st down against those D's was a miracle. Sometimes we'd just come in with an inspired game and pull off the upset.
Those were incredible Michigan teams we beat, and that was just a rivalry situation where those teams would play with a ton of emotion to over achieve.
Hoke gets it.
Just on a side, does anyone think Rich Rod will have success in Zona?
I have to say the guy seemed like an idiot to me. He did have success in Virginia, but he seems like a really over rated coach imo. What's everyones thoughts on that.
My bad, I could go back and edit it now, but you still were able to read it so I don't think I care enough to. How about actually replying to the post's substance with criticisms/thoughts rather than critiquing the format itself.
I agree with this. I don't think we will see a 6 game winning streak in this series again, unless MSU wins the next 2 of course. I believe it will go back to Michigan winning 2 of 3 games over time.
I think the spread has proven it can work in that conference, though I don't see him beating USC or Oregon anytime soon. Also him hiring nearly the same defensive staff makes me think he didn't learn much the first time around.
I think his style of play will work better in the Pac-12 then it did in the B1G.
He did get Casteel though, which tells me he learned a little.
Wow, had no clue he rehired that staff. I stand by my statement that he's a tool.
His wife seems more Arizona than Michigan to me.
I mean even with Michigan's improved recruiting in state and in Ohio I still see Dantonio as an 8-9 win coach with seasons where he can swivel up to 10-11 wins.
He didn't rehire the DC, which, duh. But hiring the same DB coach was stupid of him IMO.
There's no way he's going to compete with USC, Stanford or Cal. I see him running a 6-7 win program there.
So is that the only guy he rehired from the staff?
He doesn't have to immediately. If he can beat up on the UCLA's and others for a while, and win his OOC games. Then Arizona could establish itself firmly in the 8 win category. Maybe he could move up from there, maybe not.
No there were several others, I'm just to lazy to check which ones.
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