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Seriously a class of 12-14?
I would assume with the WRs you guys brought in last year, that would be one of the positions you would not really be recruiting for this year.
What other positions is MSU not really recruiting the numbers for what would be a typical class size?
I plan on putting together a line-up with what the recruits were ranked when i get back in the office tonight.
How much time did Jones see to get his RS burned?
Sounds good man.
Jones saw time in all 14 games. Made 18 tackles, 1 solo TFL (sack) and had a PBU. Mostly played on special teams, though he did get in on 3rd down as a designated pass rusher a few times (aka, blitzing OLB )
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Dantonio's record against the better teams in the Big Ten: UM, OSU, Wisco and Iowa
He was 0-1 vs Tressel (at home)
He was 0-1 vs Carr (at home)
He was 1-0 vs Fickell
He was 3-0 vs Rich Rod
How can anyone say his recent success was not based, in large part, on the failed coaches at OSU/UM
He is 3-2 vs Beleima (all victories coming at home).
He is 1-0 vs Hoke (only victory coming at home)
He is 2-2 vs. Ferentz
He is 0-0 vs Meyer
If UM/OSU rise up to their previous stature under Trseel and Carr -- after having coaches that most of the B10 beat regularly (RichRod and Fickell) -- what will happen?
(He was also 1-2 vs Paterno)
1 WR will be brought in. Robert Foster is visiting this weekend; apparently he's close friends with Demetrious Cox.
I don't think State will bring in many DBs; brought in 4 last year to go along with 3 from '11 (all RS).
For a class of 14, I'd project . . .
State's biggest priority is OL and DL. They'll pick up a high level OLB if they can, though the 3 recruited from '11 look to be the future. I don't hope for attrition, but I'd like to see them be able to take 16 and pick up an extra DL and TE.
That's pretty solid for a smaller class size. Need to make sure to take care of the OL and DL in each class.
You'd also have to account for the fact that those Ls to Carr and Tressell were all in '07 and '08, when MD's first recruits were only true Sophs at the oldest; all of the veterans were JLS recruits and MD hadn't come close to getting his systems in place.
Going by stars, MSU had 8 4-stars total on the roster in 2008. They're right around 20 4-stars and 5-stars now.
You're assuming that in the future, UM/tOSU AND MSU will look like they did in '07. The first 2 might, but I doubt MSU regresses to that level.
Honestly, those are some pretty solid #'s for a true freshman playing SP and other spare moments.
I was going to compare them to Morgan for Michigan, but starting 7 games gives him a huge end. Morgan had 63 tackles, 4 tfl, 1 sack, 1 pbu, and 1 fumble recovery. He was bound to have a fumble recovery with all the ones Michigan had last year.
Yea, I'm a bit nervous about the scholarship #s and the need for linemen. Really need 2 OTs in this class, an OG and a C. Took 2 OGs and an OT last class, but 3 OL/class is treading on thin ice on average, and the '11 class only took 2 (I'm not counting JUCO Fou Fonoti, who will be a SR this year), a C and an OG. Staff is counting on France and Burkland to be able to hold things down for '12 and '13.
I'm pretty sure Norman will be a Spartan, which takes care of 1 OT spot. Cameron Dillard and Pat Kuglar are visiting this weekend for JR day; they could fill the OG/C spots (and would be great pick-ups; Dillard just picked up a FL offer). I heard State's looking at a 2nd RB and wanted to take 3 LBs, but that was when everyone had this class at 18 or so. They've taken 6 LBs between '11 and '12. I think 2 max in this class. Apparently MSU is sitting well with Jaylon Smith (aside from him wearing an MSU cap during the best of the midwest combine), but I won't believe it till he starts visiting EL .
Staff is going to have to be very careful with who they offer.
JLS left the cupboard bare.
There is an article on Wolverine247 about a WR from Ohio that likes Wisconsin and Michigan but MSU would lead if offered.
no joke. I wonder if Mattison just threw darts at a board and said "Ok, Kovacs, Morgan and RVB, you guys get the next fumble recoveries . . . . hey, who left this stuffed animal in my chair . . . . GERG!!!!?!?!?!?!"
Im so glad I stopped arguing in this thread. Someone could write a great psych thesis on all of the obvious problems posters in here display on an hourly basis...
Big game tonight. Would love to put more distance between MSU and the teams ranked below them so I will be rooting for NW instead of UM. I normally would be pulling for UM. Would be cool to see NW make their first tourney as well and they really need to win tonight at home to make that happen.
To be fair, even if MSU lost to Michigan and tOSU and then split Iowa and Wisconsin, a 9-3 record is solid. That doesn't even put into the equation the fact that MSU will miss tOSU, Wisconsin and PSU some years.
Who is it if you don't mind me asking?
Rob Wheelwright. 6'2 WR that MSU has been talking to for awhile. If this was a normal class of 20-22 kids, State would've offered already.
Yeah i would be shocked if Norman is not a Spartan. Us Wolverines had some discussions about Dillard last year and I would of been pretty happy if we were to land him so In my opinion that would be a good pick up as well.
So what you are telling me is Jaylon Smith is more open in his recruitment than the Ohio State guys would tell you?
It's kind of funny you say that about offers. Michigan already has 11 commits and still seem to be offering everybody.
BOOOO!!!!. Just playing man.
Michigan really needs to win this game. I think they got a real shot of running the table if they can get past NW tonight.
Well to be fair, for his first 3 years at the helm, MD's teams were in the "pretty good, but not a contender" category. It's been the last 2 years where MSU has been a legitimate squad that is in the conversation for the B10's best.
Was that because UM and OSU had "down" years? Perhaps in part. But 1 or 2 games being more difficult doesn't completly undo a season's accomplishments. For example, if OSU was a great team last year and destroyed us in Columbus, MSU still plays in Indy. If UM's 2010 squad was great, we could have missed out on the title, but still would have been in the title discussion until the final week.
"Based in large part" ? Not really. In part? Sure. But this program has a great foundation built on stability, depth, and toughness. So I really couldn't care less about stats like that.
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Big 10 Blog puts Shoelaces as the #16 player in the Big 10 after the '11 season.
This should start a lively debate . . . .
I think you guys have as many spots left as MSU has to give out overall
Very interesting. Certainly important to his team (a team that won a lot). But individually, he had some headscratching moments along with his highlights. I'm surprised to see him that low.
I need to see the list of the 15 guys they have above him.
I just want to get the conference to the point where sec teams looking at our slap fest here don't equate it to how we would feel if we looked in on a Mac conference or big east conference slap fight.
We need to get to the point where one of our fans are rubbing their drunk nuts on another fans head on the Internet.
No MSU players on that list
Where are you getting that low of a number for the 13 class? Just brushed up on everything posted since last on tduff and don't see that anywhere.
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