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Jump balls work all the time. It's much more than 1 out of 100. DBs, especially college DBs have a hard time finding the ball in the air. WRs win plenty of one on one jump balls.
A Hail Mary is not a one on one jump ball.
I'm pretty sure you already did. That's my point. You believe any game UM won that we didn't dominate on the field and on the scoreboard from start to finish was "statistically fortunate" but you don't hold MSU to the same standard. What you are doing is the definition of homerism. That is fine just so long as we're all clear what you're doing.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 2 years ago
Or we could listen to you complain about the great magazine conspiracy.
That would be statistically fortunate.
Again.. so you are really going to say UM wasn't fortunate to beat ND and VT?
UM only thinks jump balls work.. and most of the pop flys Denard threw were not into 1-1 coverage..
This post was edited by CaliSpartan0606 2 years ago
So you are saying that MSU was lucky/fortunate, etc. to beat Wisky on the Hail Mary, but don't acknowledge that UM was lucky/fortunate to beat ND on a similar play?
Calvin Johnson thinks jump balls work. Man you really don't watch football do you?
I'm saying that every team benefits from luck and MSU benefited from luck last year just as much as Michigan. This idea in Sparty fanboys' heads that everything MSU did last year was "uphill" and "earned" but Michigan "lucked into" half their wins is priceless. It's like saying you really didn't want every HS player that commits to another school. Yes, you did. You just didn't get them. And, yes, you had just as many lucky bounces last year as anyone else.
This highlight tape suggests otherwise. Also, there was one other jump ball in that game and that one was into double coverage. Every jump ball on this tape is one on one coverage.
Denard Robinson threw a 16-yard pass to Roy Roundtree with 2 seconds left, lifting Michigan to a 35-31 heart-pounding win over Notre Dame on Saturday night. (Michigan Football 09/10/2011)
No luckier than you were to beat Wisconsin. Or Georgia. Or OSU. Or Minnesota.
Per Todd Fuhrman who's senior oddsmaker at Caesers in Vegas..
Convo is per twitter..
Do oddsmakers (in a vacuum) in Vegas, inflate spreads on large national fanbases ie USC, UM, OSU, Bama?
Depending on the shop, you shade for your clientele. Rarely around key numbers but why not hang a 34.5 instead of a 33 on Bama
Hope this helps clear up any confusion.
Never said the ND one wasn't a 1-1 ump ball.. I believe it was..
Just saying it just seems farfetched to give MSU crap for it's 50 yard pass to beat Wisky, but not acknowledge that UM has a similar fortune in the ND game (on that partially play)
And now we are comparing UM's WR's to one of the best WR's in the NFL??
Now this is funny..
there's no sense to go back and forth on this..
But if your opinion sums up the UM fan base (ie MSU was just as fortunate as UM in 2011), you are in for a rude awakening in 2012..
Please, rely on monster 4Q comebacks or throwing up under 200 yards of offense and expect to win 11 games this season..
They worked last year in route to a 11-2 season.
Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898
I wasn't comparing crap. I was saying jump balls work more often than you would like to admit. It is not a bad play to throw the ball up when you have one on one coverage and a receiver who can go and get it.
How exactly was it luck that MSU beat OSU/Minny? The way MSU beat Wisky was lucky, but that game was tied..
MSU held OSU to 0 pts until the final 25 seconds of the game.. but that was luck?
There is a huge difference between a one on one jump ball and a hail mary.
yeah Michigan didn't win most of their games by double digits or anything. Oh wait maybe they did.
Anyways, I like our offense better than yours as a whole. We are better at every position on offense in 2012.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by msucantmakebcs 2 years ago
Clearly because that's a reason why Denard's popups were garnering national attention... because every other school does this and does it so well ...
Not to mention, the basic definition of a "jump ball" gives indication that it's a 50/50 ball, up for grabs for either person to come down with.. yet, how many did Hemmingway (a 7th round pick) come down with? he basically won the ND and VT games single handily..
But I'm sure that was merely skill..
What's the difference in odds between a 34.5 and a 33?
Most are fine.. but there's a big difference between 11-2 or 9-4..
And if you believe MSU will win more than 7 games this year, so are you.
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