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Actually I got the 2007 total offense wrong in my first post. VT had 481 yards of total offense. The 296 was passing yards.
Our offense was ranked #64 in 04, #50 in 05, #100 in 06, and #100 in 2007. Our offense this year was better than the offenses in 2006 and 2007. He's a mediocre defensive coordinator that gave up an average of 407 yards of offense and 27 points to terrible VT offenses.
Well then you should just keep O'Stinesome right in place. Clearly it was only Kevin Sherman holding you back.
Let them think what they want to they are delusional to not think we would be better next year regardless of the who we hired. They think we are going to start out slow and TOB takes over as the head coach. They claim to have over 20+ resumes for each position they will be replacing. That's amazing to me since nobody on their staff has even been offically fired or left the program yet. I'm sure they are lining up at the door to come to a program that after 2 more seasons the HC will probably retire.
WAHOO 4 LIFE!!
He won't even answer when the Hoos have even been in big games, let alone won a game that is bigger than any of the 27 he likes to post about....
And you do know that London did ask a recruit why he would want to play for an old white guy? I don't have a problem with him trying to be funny and hip to a player, but do it with a kid that isn't leaning away from you already. So when your admin has to have a coach for your coach that is an old white guys...that's funny. there is simply no way anyone on either side can't think so, it isn't insulting, it's just funny.
Your Admin clearly hired a guy that it will be 100% comfortable letting coach should you all start slow and need to make a change mid season next year. That is smart IMO.
You all are paying though the teeth for your top Assistant but getting a bargin for your Head Coach
Didn't Notre Dame get much better on D when he left too?
Back to GT, I think it's hilarious that AG is pissed about the way he was treated at GT, they got much better on D when he left...maybe PJ was just pissed that he hired him and wanted him to leave...OK, PJ really is a prick, but Al is a horrible college coach, as has been proven twice now
HNB with all due respect, that old white guy comment came from 5284 and hasn't been confirmed he also claimed it upset Corey Marshall the player in question. Which for us to be his second choice he must have been pretty tore up about the comment. It just doesn't add up. Not that it matters in the first place.
I wish the season was upon us already, so you and the other Hokies that think it's going to be all doom and gloom for the Hoo's this year can be proven wrong.
That comment came from others well before 5284 brought it up. If it did upset him it was because CM already knew he was coming to VT and at that point it was uncalled for, as I said a lot goes on in the recruitment of a kid over many months/years, I'm sure there are lots of things said that would not seem on the level if taken out of context. I can't see London saying that being serious knowing that Marshall would be playing for old white Reid. London also made this comment to him as one of his first big time recruits as an HC, I assume he likely learned you simply can't say things as an HC you could as an assistant no one really cares about.
That opinion and 50 cents will get you a can of coca-cola.
Glad to know that the defensive coordinator that has one win over Virginia Tech in the last decade and your new half a million dollar tight ends coach () is going to put us under.
Hmm: First 3 years coaching at UVA Mike London 16-21 at VT Frank Beamer 11-22. In this day and age Frank wouldn't have even been coaching a 4th season at VT after that record in his first 3 years.
All London has to do is win 6 games this upcoming season and he gains again on Frank after 4 seasons. And then only has to win 7 games the next two seasons combined to match how many Frank won in his 5th and 6th seasons in Blacksburg.
My point is London isn't as bad as you guys make him out to be and if message boards were around from 1986-1993 there would be nobody on your message boards. VT also lost 5 of 6 to UVA in Franks first 6 years. So if we want to do comparisons let's do them with real facts at the same stage in each coaches career at the schools.
He was only the DC for 4 of those years.
There is a big difference in the programs. First of all, UVa is in the ACC, and whether people admit it our not, that still does mean something. The money in recruiting is different, and the perception of UVa over VT at that time was different. UVa, when London took over, was not very good, but it is still in the ACC where talent was in the program. So, there is no comparison between the two programs from UVa three years ago to VT 24 years ago. UVa did have talent when London took over, hence your season in 2011. Sorry to say this Hoos, but TOB was brought in to take over and make sure London is not screwing up games and blaming other coaches like he did this year. I bet we see a much more toned down sideline demeanor now. I wonder who the players will look to when things start going bad...London or TOB? You really should think about this too...this was in no way a London hire. I cant even start to think how you guys think you are close to us in football. It would be like us saying we are close to you in baseball. It is not true...just because there is a competitive game here or there, does not make you close. No flame at all, just my opinion.
Thanks for looking that up. I had to search quite a bit but finally found a great site that had all the boxscore from games for every major college team starting in 1993.
04 GT offense had 4 turnovers GT defense caused 3 turnovers and had 7 sacks.
05 GT offense had 3 turnovers GT defense had 4 sacks. Two of GT TO were returned for touchdowns as was a ST TD as well for VT
06 GT offense had 2 turnovers GT defense had 4 sacks and had a Defensive TD. This was the only game of the 4 Tenuta coached in GT won the game.
07 GT offense had 6 turnovers GT defense had 6 sacks TOP stood out to me in this boxscore as VT had the ball 41:32 and GT had the ball for 19:28.
GT offense didn't do GT defense any favors in any of the 4 games. However Tenuta's D had 21 sacks, created 7 turnovers so I don't think his Defense was as bad as some thought.
After reading some of the back story on the hiring of TOB, London actually went out of his way twice driving down to Raleigh in the fist two weeks and taking TOB and his wife out to dinner to discuss ways that they could get him to come back to UVA right after he was fired by NC State. It isn't going to take TOB to make London tone down his sideline demeanor as that has been a topic of discussion at VAF fundraising meetings I've attend since the loss to VT and London was at two of the fundraising events that I attended. So after reading into how this all went down, I think he had more say in the hires than I previously thought he did. Now I'm sure Jon Oliver had to agree with who he wanted to hire to make it happen. You don't throw out the kind of money UVA did for it's football coaching staff yesterday without the AD's or for that matter the top donors in the VAF's approval. I didn't take your post as flaming at all, I thought it was a great post of your opinion.
Talk to some Domers about their thoughts on Tenuta. He will always get sacks, but in doing so he trades the risk of pressure for TD's and big gains, there is a reason we gained big yards on GT yet they had a lot of sacks.
And as I have said I think bringing in TOB is a great idea and have said for years you should have hired him instead of AG and then tried to get him instead of London...if that had happened is there is a good chance London would be working for him?
Wait a minute. Where are you getting a can of coke for 50 cents?
Well, I appreciate you insight into the hiring process. I stand corrected. I will say this, TOB can make Virginia an annual contender, not a power. I think he is a VERY good hire for UVA, but I still think your head coach will get in the way. Now, in a perfect world, and I think a lot of UVa fans would say this because a buddy of mine who is a big UVa fan has already stated, if they could switch the two in their positions, most would be thrilled. TOB is a good coach.
Is the writing on the wall for Lazor? I don't think it's a secret London's made some decisions that have negatively impacted Lazor's offense most notably flip flopping QB's for two straight years. Any word on Lazor actively looking to get out of C'ville?
TOB is a good coach no doubt, I haven't given up on London quite yet though, I still think he can get UVA to at least contending for the Coastal crown year in and year out. IMO this upcoming season will be a good indicator if that's a realistic goal for us fans. He won't have any Groh leftovers and next years it's all his players.
Flip flopping the first year was Lazor's call, last year from all indications was there was some tension between the two over Rocco and Sims, but London didn't want to play Sims because he promised him anything. We were struggling at the time, it seemed to work well starting with NC State and some games it didn't. I think he would listen to NFL offers if they came calling for an OC job, but he does make pretty good money at UVA $500K a year before bonuses, and he also has 4 more years on his contract.
Are you sure it was Lazor's idea because I recall a post game press conference that year where Lazor was asked about the Watford/Rocco thing, all Lazor said was "that's the plan." No elaboration etc... I thought it was well known that London told Watford he would play his true freshman year hence the flip flopping.
We have lost some games on the big stage, but the difference here is we have been to the big stage. How many big stage games does uva have? One FSU and if i recall VT beat you that year! As far as our 10 win seasons think about it uva has been one of those cupcakes. The only reason you don't have losses on the big stage is you have yet to get there. Yes TOB what a coach yea when Ryan was QB, VT beat BC in the championship game not once but twice. How many ACC Championships does UVA have that are not shared? zero? took VT 52 weeks what it has taken UVA how many years to win the ACC? Still waiting to see that happen. You co-shared one with Duke and one with FSU. Our worst year in 20 years and we still beat you. UVA fires coaches for not beating VT.
Fellow Hokies - Please shut up about Tenuta, TOB and for that matter London. I for one hope they enjoy LONG tunures in Charlotteshole.
So let’s see how the commonwealth’s two FBS programs fare by the two standards, only we’ll start the clock in 2004, the season Virginia Tech joined Virginia as an ACC member.
In the seven seasons since, the Hokies are a sterling 19-12 versus teams that were among the AP's top 25 at kickoff. Against the top 10, Tech is a credible 5-8.
But against the final 25, the Hokies are 14-14. Versus the top 10, they’re a meager 2-8, the victories over West Virginia in 2005 and Boston College in the 2007 ACC championship game.
The in-season to end-of-season change cost Tech three top-10 victories: Miami in 2004 and ’09, and Clemson in 2006. That Tigers’ squad, rated 10th when the Hokies beat them 24-7, finished the year unranked.
Virginia’s numbers dip dramatically, too. Since 2004, the Cavaliers are 7-17 against opponents ranked at kickoff, not horrible for a program in transition.
But versus teams among the year-end top 25, Virginia is 2-20, the lone wins over Florida State in 2005 and Georgia Tech in 2008.
Judge for yourself which standard is best. Each has merits, especially when you consider injuries, suspensions, etc.
But there’s no question which is the most demanding.
Here’s a season-by-season breakdown for Tech and Virginia against the final 25, which you won’t find in any media guide.
2004: Lost to No. 1 USC and No.2 Auburn; beat No. 11 Miami and No. 23 Virginia
2005: Beat No. 5 West Virginia, No. 18 Boston College and No. 19 Louisville; lost to No. 17 Miami and No. 23 Florida State.
2006: Beat No. 18 Wake Forest; lost to No. 20 Boston College and No. 23 Georgia.
Elections 2007: Lost to No. 1 LSU, No. 7 Kansas and No. 10 Boston College (regular season); beat No. 10 Boston College (ACC title game) and No. 21 Clemson.
2008: Beat No. 17 Cincinnati and No. 22 Georgia Tech; lost to No. 21 Florida State.
2009: Lost to No. 1 Alabama and No. 13 Georgia Tech; beat No. 14 Nebraska and No. 19 Miami.
2010: Lost to No. 4 Stanford and No. 9 Boise State; beat No. 17 Florida State and No. 25 North Carolina State.
2004: Lost to No. 10 Virginia Tech, No. 11 Miami, No. 15 Florida State and No. 22 Fresno State.
2005: Lost to No. 7 Virginia Tech, No. 17 Miami, No. 18 Boston College; beat No. 23 Florida State.
2006: Lost to No. 19 Virginia Tech.
2007: Lost to No. 9 Virginia Tech and No. 22 Texas Tech.
2008: Lost to No. 3 USC and No. 15 Virginia Tech; beat No. 22 Georgia Tech.
2009: Lost to No. 6 TCU, No. 10 Virginia Tech, No. 13 Georgia Tech, No. 19 Miami and No. 24 Clemson.
2010: Lost to No. 16 Virginia Tech, No. 17 Florida State and No. 23 Maryland.
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