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No kidding. I hit send and said out loud, "Holy shit."
What is the nature of this Virgina Tech/Virginia rivalry? Is it a blood feud? Does it extend beyond football? Could a game of checkers be a battle cry?
On the field it's obviously not much of a rivalry right now... I think it's gonna start getting better soon although UVA still has a ways to go IMO. Tech fans think Hoos are stuck-up, snobby, Jefferson-praising, wine drinkers and UVA fans think tech fans are white trash rednecks. I don't really consider it to be a very intense rivalry honestly. Fans are usually pretty civil toward each other. The reason I was surprised at the civility on this thread because of the conversations going on at the rivals main board sometimes. Obviously, things are a lot different on here. I don't know if that answers your question.
Forgot this earlier in the day but Happy Birthday to Anthony Poindexter. He shares today (now yesterday) with Bud Foster. And I'll just refrain from comment on that part.
I know you are pretty close with Dex Joe, I cant ever talk enough about Dex.....was in my high schools years when he was roaming the secondary and my favorite HOO of all time.....I can still hear the crowd and the pop from the hit he put on that Auburn WR when he was coming across the middle....that was just awesome! Had so much swag and passion playing, just so much fun!
My dad is a long time VA HS football official, and had many HOOS and Hokies over the years, and I remember the story of the AD at Jefferson Forrest telling my dad about this kid named Poindexter, who would hit anything that moved until a whistle was blown. He mentioned that Ref's were beginning to blow whistles early in fear of kids getting killed on the football field....even mentioned him knocking a kid into an official down the sidelines!!!
And for the Hokies, my dad always mentions how Lee Suggs was the fastest kid he ever saw on on football field in his years of officiating, and that was after having the Jones, Barbers, and many others....just always mentioned Suggs was downright nasty!
Nice post, I generally agree. I had only intended to respond to the point about where the talent comes from. Obviously coaching matters a lot, and there is no denying that Foster is an excellent defensive coach and VT has done an excellent job of recruiting to its schemes. I think VT had a big recruiting edge from 98-2001, and again from 2006 - 2010. From 2002 - 2005 it was roughly even. I agree that Groh's classes had plenty of starpower, but I think his problem was less the fit of his players for his schemes (although that was a problem) and more that many of the players that made those classes so highly ranked were gone long before they reached their potential on the field. And the same goes for the coaches. I believe that if Groh had been able to retain Musgrave he could have gone on an extended run, particularly once London was elevated to DC. I think Musgrave could have developed McCabe and lined Hagans up all over the field to better utilize the skills of both. It will be interesting to see how London manages the transition if Lazor moves back to the NFL at some point.
I also agree that the state does not produce enough talent to create two elite teams, as Beamer implies from time to time. I think VT's failure to break though the glass ceiling on the big stage has as much to do with their offensive appoach and coaching as it does their talent level, but I agree that even if the Percy Ellsworths, Ryan Burns, Hackenburgs, Andrew Browns, etc., all stayed in state, I still don't think you could create two top 15 teams. If they all stayed in state and went to the same school, you could create one top 10 team, but that's a different conversation.
Trying to focus only on Virginia is only going to get more difficult with some the FCS's moving up. Tech and UVa will still hold the edge but ODU will get a few just because of locality and their ability to get anyone in and Liberty and JMU knocking on the FBS door (Liberty's got so much money these days that I expect that to happen at any time.)
You nailed it regarding Musgrave, McCabe and Biscuit. Hagans would have been a household name across the country if Musgrave would have been allowed to control the reigns. But that situation was never going to work. Al's one year as South Carolina OC had him convinced he could be the HC, DC and OC and just have everyone else recruit and occupy offices.
In my experience, the Rivalry is far more civil outside of the world wide web. I work with a few Hoos and we give each other hell, but it's ALWAYS, ALWAYS civil.
AHHHH UVA SUCKS!!!
Haha I kid, I kid . Good to join in, everybody!
Here's a question: If you could pick ONE player from the history of either program to have played on the other side of the rivalry, who would it be? And why?
As far as former players go, I'd have to pick Ahmad Brooks. As to the why? I'm a 49ers fan and he's always been pretty disruptive in the backfield. Any Hoos have any information regarding why he left the team?
Have not gotten any info on Caleb yet, other than working hard with Logan in 7 man drills that Logan runs.
Info on Coleman is he stayed on campus all summer and was one of the hardest workers there. He is ripped and picking things up quickly. Very heady kid who really wants it bad. Coming in early was great for him. He will be a factor this fall.
I believe it has somthing to do with several run-ins with the law and Groh finally kicked him off the team. I could be wrong, hopefully someone who was a bit older when that happened and knows the situation better can tell you. lol.
Basically. He'd been given chance after chance after chance. He wasn't living up to his side of the bargain. If I remember correctly, I think he tested positive for weed after already having to plead n/c when being pulled over while in a friends car right before he got here. He'd ballooned up to about 280. Was missing workouts. Was killing the locker room because of the favortism perception. And Groh finally cut the cord.
congrats hokies on fuller.. not sure if its a small surprise or not but it seemed like clemson made you guys sweat a little..
It's hard not to pick Vick. Especially considering what we had to work with instead over that time frame. With Curry, we probably experience a lot of the same success you all do. Vick-Curry match ups would have been EPIC. If not Vick, Cornell Brown or Bruce Smith (although I'm not sure Smith would have made a huge difference for us at the tim as we were just building the Welsh program then.) Brown was really the first recruit to pick Frank over George when the momentum had swung back towards the UVa side. That was a big moment in the 90's. Vick would have followed up Aaron Brooks and would have given us a really nice presence down in the Tidewater area. Plus that would have probably kept George around a little longer and maybe we avoid Al if that happens.
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Pretty insane DB class.
Sorry I missed a couple of days, but no one answered my question. Not trying to run Frank out of town by any means, but who would you guys rather have take over? Shane or Bud. Just curious.
Excuse me, while I hit this sky hook.
Yep Our D will be nasty for the next few years
I'd like Shane, but depending on when Frank retires. If thats in 2 years, I don't think Shane would be the best fit. If it's in 5-6 years, then Shane. I think most Tech fans can agree that Bud will never be the head coach at VT. I think comparing either Shane or Torrian Gray could be more realistic.
I would be fine with either. I think Shane would be more successful than Bud but at the same point I feel Bud has earned his right to take over the reigns for a few years. If it is Bud, I would love to see Torrian Gray move to DC.
As for the post about former players, mine would be Dex. I went to Jefferson Forest about a decade after him but remember watching AP in high school and college. As a QB/LB/S, he was a massive reason JF won back-to-back state titles. There is no doubt that without his knee injuries he would've been an All-Pro safety.
i don't know how you couldn't take vick if it was just one player. he raised the bar all by himself for the program. corey moore was pretty legit too and i can't remember many vt players before his time.
Love the sig pic
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