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Top 20 jobs in college football...

  • NoVaNoles said... (original post)

    roflmao I forgot how kids love those whiteouts, one of the dumbest things I have ever heard

    We have White outs too, nobody gives a fug

    Yeah Georgia tried on of those black outs against Bama and we ended up seeing a funeral. Penn State is going to try the same against Bama this season during a day game.

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    JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    Most would rather play in the Pac 12, Big 12, Big `10, or SEC before they would want to play in the ACC. The ACC is slightly better than the Big East.

    Maybe so but my point was the ACC doesn't really hurt you nor does the Big Ten really help you at the end of the day

    FSU has been on a roll and has recruited better than anybody in the Big Ten since Jimbo took over

    IMO only the SEC really holds weight with kids and actually plays a role in where they wanna play, the rest is the school and school alone so long as you play in a BCS conference

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    JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    Auburn, Tennessee, and Miami are better jobs than South Carolina.

    Yeah you're right, I actually just forgot about Auburn

    As far as Miami I certainly agree, but with Shalala running things for now they don't make my list

    The day she leaves is the day Miami shoots up my rankings, might jump into the top 5 and certainly the top 10 easily

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  • NoVaNoles said... (original post)

    Maybe so but my point was the ACC doesn't really hurt you nor does the Big Ten really help you at the end of the day

    FSU has been on a roll and has recruited better than anybody in the Big Ten since Jimbo took over

    IMO only the SEC really holds weight with kids and actually plays a role in where they wanna play, the rest is the school and school alone so long as you play in a BCS conference

    That's probably true.

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  • Big Time 06 said... (original post)

    The whole top job argument is really a matter of perspective. JC is a recruiting analyst so he sees it from a recruiting perspective. From that perspective only, his list is pretty good. If you add in other things then it's not. BTW the stadiums, facilities, and money is equal in the SEC thing is simply not so. They are all mostly good but there are a few that really stand out above the rest. IMO you can't list the top 5 recruiting states and say the major schools in that state are the top 5. There are tons of other things that go into it.

    I wasn't looking at it strictly from a recruiting standpoint. I factored in money, facilities, tradition, etc.

    There aren't a few that stand out above the rest, half the conference does- Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU. Arkansas, Kentucky and South Carolina also have great facilities and money, though Arkansas has more than the Gamecocks and while Kentucky is a very good athletics program, it's basketball program obviously overshadows football. So if you are saying that those six stand out and that the nine are superior to Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt from that standpoint, more power to you.

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  • Big Time 06 said... (original post)

    If I was a coach today that was looking for a job and could pick then my top 10 is....

    Texas Alabama Florida Lsu USC OSU OU FSU Michigan UGA/UT/AU/PSU

    I can't see how Alabama is a better job that Florida, LSU, Ohio State or Penn State. I think it's certainly a better program right now than any of those four, but a better job, no. In fact, I think if you were ranking programs, it would be top two easily.

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  • BRAGGonUT said... (original post)

    I'll offer this with respect to the Big 10 states, which obviously directly relates to Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State:

    The states of PA, OH, and MI COMBINED produced less BCS players from 04-08 than any of the top 3 producing states (FL, TX, CA).

    You have to throw in New Jersey with the other 3 Big 10 states to exceed Florida or Texas.

    I think a better comparison is not just of BCS recruits, but top recruits.

    Look at the ESPN150 for the last 3 years....

    Ohio (12), Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), New Jersey (6), Illinois (6) = 41 players

    Florida (98), Georgia (47), Alabama (21), Louisiana (13), S Carolina (13) = 192 players

    Texas = 63 players

    California = 51 players

    The above is a major reason the southern jobs are the best. There are so many good players to go after. There truly is enough for 6 SEC programs to be loaded at one time. So some people question Auburn being high on JCs list, yet when you take the facilities, traditions, history, fan support, game day atmosphere, revenue, and the proximity to the player gold-mines of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama....well, there's the answer.

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  • jadennis said... (original post)

    Look at the ESPN150 for the last 3 years....

    Well, there's part of your problem.

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    jadennis said... (original post)

    I think a better comparison is not just of BCS recruits, but top recruits.

    Look at the ESPN150 for the last 3 years....

    Ohio (12), Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), New Jersey (6), Illinois (6) = 41 players

    Florida (98), Georgia (47), Alabama (21), Louisiana (13), S Carolina (13) = 192 players

    Texas = 63 players

    California = 51 players

    The above is a major reason the southern jobs are the best. There are so many good players to go after. There truly is enough for 6 SEC programs to be loaded at one time. So some people question Auburn being high on JCs list, yet when you take the facilities, traditions, history, fan support, game day atmosphere, revenue, and the proximity to the player gold-mines of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama....well, there's the answer.

    I wouldn't go by recruiting rankings because they are false a lot of the time.

    You should go by players a certain state puts people to the NFL.

    It makes my state look better thumbsup

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  • Lesticals said... (original post)

    I wouldn't go by recruiting rankings because they are false a lot of the time.

    You should go by players a certain state puts people to the NFL.

    It makes my state look better thumbsup

    Haha, probably does. But we're talking about college, not the NFL. There's too many times where 1) a great prospect from a bad team goes to the NFL, 2) kids with "great potential" are drafted to the NFL despite not doing much in college, and 3) prospects who do great for their team in college end up simply being a "product of a system" and don't do well in the NFL.

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    psubills62 said... (original post)

    Haha, probably does. But we're talking about college, not the NFL. There's too many times where 1) a great prospect from a bad team goes to the NFL, 2) kids with "great potential" are drafted to the NFL despite not doing much in college, and 3) prospects who do great for their team in college end up simply being a "product of a system" and don't do well in the NFL.

    True but you also have to take into account what schools those "top" prospects choose and the OOS "sexiness" to kids in other states to leave their own state. If that makes any sense to you.

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    jadennis said... (original post)

    I think a better comparison is not just of BCS recruits, but top recruits.

    Look at the ESPN150 for the last 3 years....

    Ohio (12), Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), New Jersey (6), Illinois (6) = 41 players

    Florida (98), Georgia (47), Alabama (21), Louisiana (13), S Carolina (13) = 192 players

    Texas = 63 players

    California = 51 players

    The above is a major reason the southern jobs are the best. There are so many good players to go after. There truly is enough for 6 SEC programs to be loaded at one time. So some people question Auburn being high on JCs list, yet when you take the facilities, traditions, history, fan support, game day atmosphere, revenue, and the proximity to the player gold-mines of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama....well, there's the answer.

    Player rankings are a joke. Take, for example, Nick Mangold. He was a 1-2 star lineman coming out of high school. Now? The highest paid lineman in the NFL. JJ Watt was a 1 star as well and he just went in the first round of the draft this year.

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  • The fact that schools have the cash doesn't mean that they spend it. Some of the schools that u listed in your previous post are not all in in terms of winning. Case in point would be the UGA that u are so high on. They have cash but the admin at UGA is all about turning a profit, not do and spend whatever it takes. You also have absolutely nothing to base UGA or Penn St being a top 10 job anymore on. The only possible difference in them and some of the schools you have listed below them are in state recruiting base. Florida and Alabama are so close it's splitting hairs, but Flordia State isn't even in the same ballpark as either of them, so that one is a total head scratcher.

  • Big Time 06 said... (original post)

    Florida and Alabama are so close it's splitting hairs, but Flordia State isn't even in the same ballpark as either of them, so that one is a total head scratcher.

    I'm curious as to why Florida State isn't in the same ballpark? I don't put them even, but I'd say they are right behind. They're in Florida, they can draw top recruits, they have a good fan base, etc. Maybe revenue and facilities are a little behind, but they are also in the ACC, which presents an easier path to the BCS. Can't be too far behind.

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  • JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    Player rankings are a joke. Take, for example, Nick Mangold. He was a 1-2 star lineman coming out of high school. Now? The highest paid lineman in the NFL. JJ Watt was a 1 star as well and he just went in the first round of the draft this year.

    Tell you what, you make me a list of all the 1 and 2 star All-Americans in college football for the last 3 years, and I'll make a list of all the 4 and 5 star All-Americans. I promise my list will be longer.

    And don't forget, even if you came up with 10 All-Americans that were 1 or 2 star, how many 1 or 2 star high school players are there? 5,000? So you had to wade through 5,000 players to find your 10 All-Americans. How many 4 and 5 star players are there? 250? I bet I can find more All-Americans in my 250 than you can find in your 5,000.

    And that's why the rankings mean something. They guarantee nothing, but they do represent a likelihood of success. Your odds of getting an all-conference player when you recruit a 5-star are incredibly better than your odds of getting an all-conference player when you recruit a 2-star.

    Recruiting rankings are not an exact science down to each individual player, and there are always examples of 2-star guys that go to the NFL and 5-star guys that transfer to a D-II school because they can't cut it. But for the most part, you're going to find more all-conference players in a group of twenty 4-star players than you will find in a group of twenty 2-star players.

    That's why LSU is LSU and Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt.

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  • Big Time 06 said... (original post)

    The fact that schools have the cash doesn't mean that they spend it. Some of the schools that u listed in your previous post are not all in in terms of winning. Case in point would be the UGA that u are so high on. They have cash but the admin at UGA is all about turning a profit, not do and spend whatever it takes. You also have absolutely nothing to base UGA or Penn St being a top 10 job anymore on. The only possible difference in them and some of the schools you have listed below them are in state recruiting base. Florida and Alabama are so close it's splitting hairs, but Flordia State isn't even in the same ballpark as either of them, so that one is a total head scratcher.

    There is absolutely no proof that Georgia does not spend whatever it takes, same with Penn State. Those two jobs, in addition to having a great in-state talent base, have tradition, facilities, fan support, etc., equal to or greater than Alabama.

    Did you know that when Bama played Texas in the BCS title game a few years back, requests for travel, tickets, etc., in California was nearly 6-1 Longhorns.

    I really am not trying to downgrade your program. It's one of the best in college football and always has been, I have the deepest respect for the Alabama Crimson Tide, its history, tradition, fans- you name it. But when you are talking about how good of a job it is or isn't, that's a different argument.

    In fact, the fact that it's not as good as some others probably helped restore the program to glory. Rich Rodriguez would be your coach right now if it were as much of a no-brainer as some of the other jobs.

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  • jadennis said... (original post)

    I'm curious as to why Florida State isn't in the same ballpark? I don't put them even, but I'd say they are right behind. They're in Florida, they can draw top recruits, they have a good fan base, etc. Maybe revenue and facilities are a little behind, but they are also in the ACC, which presents an easier path to the BCS. Can't be too far behind.

    Florida State's facilities are as good as any school in the SEC and they are planning to build more. The only thing they may lag behind in right now is game atmosphere, but when they win that's not the case. I don't think they have the resources of the SEC schools, but they have one of the best coaching staffs in the country. I knew the guy that helped Jimbo Fisher put it together and all of those assistants are payed as well as any of the top six programs in the SEC. Plus, it's a national brand and one of the most recognized programs in modern college football.

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  • JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    In fact, the fact that it's not as good as some others probably helped restore the program to glory. Rich Rodriguez would be your coach right now if it were as much of a no-brainer as some of the other jobs.


    As a Michigan Fan.... why can't Alabama be a no-brainer!!

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    JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    Florida State's facilities are as good as any school in the SEC and they are planning to build more. The only thing they may lag behind in right now is game atmosphere, but when they win that's not the case. I don't think they have the resources of the SEC schools, but they have one of the best coaching staffs in the country. I knew the guy that helped Jimbo Fisher put it together and all of those assistants are payed as well as any of the top six programs in the SEC. Plus, it's a national brand and one of the most recognized programs in modern college football.

    Yeah if we get the indoor joint and the new dorms not many can say they have better

    Patiently waiting, I think if we make the necessary strides forward this season all the funding will be in place and construction will start by next summer hopefully pray

    For those who haven't seen FSU's plans for an indoor facility, here they are..... looks freaking sweet

    Probably won't look exactly like this when it gets finalized but anything close will make recruits drool about practicing in such a building, I know I would probably crap in my pants

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    Ok, so here's my take...

    Texas- Pick of the best recruits in Texas, money to burn, great fanbase (I've found them great to talk to and respectful at least to me)

    Florida- Pick of the best recruits in Florida, money to burn, the women (Have you seen them down there? Whoooooo!), passionate fan base.

    USC- Pick of the best recruits in California, money to burn, on probation and still landed a top 10 class. Passionate fanbase...I'll leave it at that. Not hating all of you, just the arrogant douchy ones...and there are alot of those. Sorry.

    Alabama- Pick of the best recruits from across the country and dominate recruiting in Alabama, money to burn, passionate fanbase...as long as you beat Auburn.

    Ohio State- Pick of the best recruits in Ohio and across the country, money to burn, passionate fanbase that has the ability to annoy and embarrass fellow fans by being ass monkeys. Coaching stop for many coaches of large programs or the NFL today (Saban, Meyer, Carroll, Lovie Smith, Dantonio, and Dom Capers to name a few)

    Florida State- Ability to recruit nationwide and solid rival to Florida for home talent, money to burn, great fanbase. Not as strong as before but definitely heading in the right direction.

    LSU- Ability to recruit nationwide, decent amount of money to burn, if the coach can't recruit they flounder for extended periods of time...at least compared to where the fanbase thinks they should be year in and year out.

    Oklahoma-Ability to recruit nationwide, money to burn but consistently in Texas' shadow overall. Good fanbase

    Notre Dame- Every "hot" coach thinks they can cure what ails Notre Dame. They're all wrong but still..., no current relevance but passionate fan base will excuse your ineptitude for at least 3 years because they think they're still great because of the leather helmet days of the 1920's.

    Michigan- See above.

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    Good list Kperry, solid write up on each too thumbsup

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  • jadennis said... (original post)

    I think a better comparison is not just of BCS recruits, but top recruits.

    Look at the ESPN150 for the last 3 years....

    Ohio (12), Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), New Jersey (6), Illinois (6) = 41 players

    Florida (98), Georgia (47), Alabama (21), Louisiana (13), S Carolina (13) = 192 players

    Texas = 63 players

    California = 51 players

    The above is a major reason the southern jobs are the best. There are so many good players to go after. There truly is enough for 6 SEC programs to be loaded at one time. So some people question Auburn being high on JCs list, yet when you take the facilities, traditions, history, fan support, game day atmosphere, revenue, and the proximity to the player gold-mines of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama....well, there's the answer.

    I think everyone can agree that their is more talent in the south, but looking at those rankings shows espns bias. Ohio only had 12 espnu 150 recruits in the last 3 years while Georgia had 47, alabama 21 etc... LOL. I just looked at an article and it shows the most NFl players by states, ohio has more active nfl players than georgia, alabama, louisiana, and south carolina...yet according to espn Ohio has like no elite recruits. Pennsylavia, and Michigan are also getting robbed by espn too.

  • NoVaNoles said... (original post)

    Good list Kperry, solid write up on each too thumbsup

    The only issue I have with it is FSU girls >>> UF girls.

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    JC Shurburtt said... (original post)

    The only issue I have with it is FSU girls >>> UF girls.

    You know I have to agree. I ran track in college and had a meet at Florida State and this girl was anchoring the 4x100m team for Florida State and she was just smoking hot. Never been to Gainsville but was very happy with my visit to Tallahassee!

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  • The fact that MR is still the head coach at UGA is all the proof you need. His massive buyout absolutely is a key factor in him being there today. The facilities at UGA are also not even close to other schools in the SEC. Same thing with FSU. Monetarily they aren't close to others you have them above in the top 15. I don't think Bama is even the worst rating you have. I think that is OU. Using RR as an example is horrible because there were many factors in that whole saga that had nothing to do with how good or bad a job UA was. I'm not bashing you for your having UA low, it's your opinion. I'm more perplexed by some of the schools you have above them.