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Top 5 Programs the Next 5 Years?

  • NotreDamePride said... (original post)

    Give the Irish maybe 3 or 4 years to be regular in the top programs with Brian Kelly, the guy is an outstanding recruiter and is changing South Bend like Charlie Weiss could never do.

    Agree that Kelly in South Bend scares me more than any coach there since Lou.

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  • Weedline said... (original post)

    This is such an idiotic stance.

    By the same logic, if they meant nothing then teams with mediocre recruiting would win NC's.

    Funny how that never happens, huh?

    okay sir, then tell me why when you guys were killing it in recruiting you were not a top 5 team? I said rankings didn't mean as much as they are made out to be. Simple fact is that recruiting well is a relative term. Not necessarily related to how services rank the incoming talent. There are other factors such as;

    1) Character. If you recruit a bunch of 5 star thugs who can't stay on the team or eligible you are in a bind

    2) System fit - on paper great player in your system lost in the shuffle. On the flip side a 3 star kid may play like a 4 star in your system.

    3) Underrated Talent - We all know that most rankings have a certain level of bias and certain players don't get the same type of eval time. That is half of our roster.

    4) Good mix of 4 year players. That is what helps you stay where you are and provide veteran depth.

    in the end you have to make all your players better when the step foot on campus. some teams are much better than others with that. This also relates to character. You have to have kids who are willing to put in the work.

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    dustelli said... (original post)

    okay sir, then tell me why when you guys were killing it in recruiting you were not a top 5 team? I said rankings didn't mean as much as they are made out to be. Simple fact is that recruiting well is a relative term. Not necessarily related to how services rank the incoming talent. There are other factors such as;

    1) Character. If you recruit a bunch of 5 star thugs who can't stay on the team or eligible you are in a bind

    2) System fit - on paper great player in your system lost in the shuffle. On the flip side a 3 star kid may play like a 4 star in your system.

    3) Underrated Talent - We all know that most rankings have a certain level of bias and certain players don't get the same type of eval time. That is half of our roster.

    4) Good mix of 4 year players. That is what helps you stay where you are and provide veteran depth.

    in the end you have to make all your players better when the step foot on campus. some teams are much better than others with that. This also relates to character. You have to have kids who are willing to put in the work.

    I tell you exactly why, cause half of those stud 5 star recruits never even made it to campus among many others who didn't last more than a year or ever see the field and contribute

    So if you go back and take them off those classes they wouldn't be ranked NEARLY as high

    For example the 2005 class which Rivals had top 3, if you take 5 stars Rouse and Bright off that class, among other casualties, we would have been ranked in the 20's if not even lower

    Agreed with what you said though, but most only look at the rankings, me and T-Noles aren't talking about that

    We're talking about recruiting as a whole and everything that goes into it, not just the ranks on NSD

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  • dustelli said... (original post)

    okay sir, then tell me why when you guys were killing it in recruiting you were not a top 5 team? I said rankings didn't mean as much as they are made out to be. Simple fact is that recruiting well is a relative term. Not necessarily related to how services rank the incoming talent. There are other factors such as;

    1) Character. If you recruit a bunch of 5 star thugs who can't stay on the team or eligible you are in a bind

    2) System fit - on paper great player in your system lost in the shuffle. On the flip side a 3 star kid may play like a 4 star in your system.

    3) Underrated Talent - We all know that most rankings have a certain level of bias and certain players don't get the same type of eval time. That is half of our roster.

    4) Good mix of 4 year players. That is what helps you stay where you are and provide veteran depth.

    in the end you have to make all your players better when the step foot on campus. some teams are much better than others with that. This also relates to character. You have to have kids who are willing to put in the work.

    Talent isn't the only thing, but how many years in a row did FSU need to be in the top 5 for you to realize that it plays a very, very big part in it.

  • NoVaNoles said... (original post)

    I tell you exactly why, cause half of those stud 5 star recruits never even made it to campus among many others who didn't last more than a year or ever see the field and contribute

    So if you go back and take them off those classes they wouldn't be ranked NEARLY as high

    For example the 2005 class which Rivals had top 3, if you take 5 stars Rouse and Bright off that class, among other casualties, we would have been ranked in the 20's if not even lower

    Agreed with what you said though, but most only look at the rankings, me and T-Noles aren't talking about that

    We're talking about recruiting as a whole and everything that goes into it, not just the ranks on NSD

    Yup.

    DiShawn Platt
    Fred Rouse
    Callahand Bright
    Matt Hardick
    Brandon Something (TE from TN)

    Ext ext,

    On top of having boat loads of 5*'s never play here or leave before they were even sophomores...

    We had a coaching staff who was such a juggernaut that they relaxed and got lazy in their scouting, development, and really every part of their job.

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  • Weedline said... (original post)

    Yup.

    DiShawn Platt
    Fred Rouse
    Callahand Bright
    Matt Hardick
    Brandon Something (TE from TN)

    Ext ext,

    On top of having boat loads of 5*'s never play here or leave before they were even sophomores...

    We had a coaching staff who was such a juggernaut that they relaxed and got lazy in their scouting, development, and really every part of their job.

    I have to agree with you and Nova... These other guys are REALLY slow!!

    Why are they bringing up Mich St, Wake Forest, Wisc, etc? Because they all had ONE magical yr in the past 10?

    Recruiting is 75-80% of the battle when talking about A TOP 5 PROGRAM, FOR 5 YRS!!!

    Then that SpartanRocky guy said Michigan St's coaching is an 8.5 and FSU's is 6?

    Y would they come to a topic that clearly says top 5 programs, for the next 5 years..
    And throw out names like Wake Forest and Wisc.?

    This post was edited by CRgator 3 years ago