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Well that's different. Good for him.
Hoke lost games. End of the day, you are defined by Ws and Ls.
Our quarterback does front flips, suck it.
1. Bad trolls are bad.
2. I live right outside NYC.
3. I was born in Orlando.
4. I grew up in Cincy.
5. At least Ohio has "cosmopolitan metropolises"
6. Buckeye Fans don't rollover in the the AM next to their family members.
Roby is coming back baby!!!
Urban took over a 6-7 team, that was very young. He took that team 12-0, what else could he have done? He got an A plus from me. Not to mention this team had NOTHING to play for, Nothing. Do you understand how hard it is to keep a team focused and motivated everyweek? Especially when they have nothing to play for, at all.
Im not saying Rich Rods players on Defense were all americans, but they had some decent talent on that team last year. The reason they struggled was because that DC the year before had his head up his ass. You guys had Martin, Roh, Van Bergen, Countess, Kovacs. Of course a guy like Mattison is going to get the best out of those guys. The old DC did not.
Let's swap for a second. Let's make Urban the coach of Michigan during Hoke's 11-2 year. You really think he still goes undefeated? Because I seriously doubt it. Now, let's make Hoke the coach of Ohio State this year. I think it's really probable he goes undefeated just like Urban. I'd say you have to look deeper than just W's and L's.
It wasn't for a lack of talent that they went 6-7.
Elite is better than that. He should have mentioned that you still have Borges at the controls
You mean stereo types like ..yankees, slow, white, fat, girls are ugly.... those stereo types? Your scared youd love Ohio..and you would.
Just let them think this.. It will make the meltdown even more epic when we beat them, and they don't come close to going undefeated.
Well your same players went from garbage Defense to top 20..and the offense was explosive so your players were there, no?
Clark.... we may never lose again...realtalk!!
You honestly believe Hoke could have brought last years Ohio State team to 12-0 this past year?
We had a few quality players, Mike Martin and RVB were real good. Kovacs is good too. But with the exception of them, no not at all.
If Tressel is still the coach during your 6-7 year, there is no way they go 6-7. They'd probably have 10+ wins just like Tressel mostly always did.
Now I've been nice to this point but you really want to start this shit?
Not really sure how that answers my question, but ok.
I don't see why he couldn't .
There was always talent at OSU, the Vest thing was too big of a distraction, and Fickell isn't a HC.
Hoke can recruit, and recruit Ohio extremely well.
Because the talent is there. Like I said, you guys did not go 6-7 in 2011 because of a lack of talent. Y'alls team is loaded. Given that the players were recruited to play a pro-style type of offense (+ the fact Hoke is a pro-style guy), I'd say it's probable he does go 12-0, so the answer to your question is yes. (Not saying that he definitely goes 12-0, but I think there is a very good chance)
You guys are in for some disappointment.
If The Game was in Ann Arbor I think you lose this year. Also a couple of those really close games (Cal, IU, MSU, Wisconsin, Purdue) aren't always gonna go your way.
Ok, so you think Hoke could have coached this team to 12-0. Do you think Urban could have coached last years Michigan team 11-2?
So with the same talent as last year, plus a year of his recruits, how did Hoke go from 11-2 to 8-5?
This question isn't directed at me, but yes I believe Urban could have reached 11-2. But you said earlier "at the end of the day, you're defined by W's and L's"
Which would mean Hoke > Urban by what you said, because Hoke won more games. I
Yes. I do.
I think they are both very good coaches. If Meyer brought in a DC with the same pedigree as Mattison, I think the results would have been similar.
I just find it amusing that some in your fanbase think that you are just going to own the conference. Just don't be surprised when UM wins their fair share.
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