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Cool, homosexuals are equally placed with those that get divorced and then married again, or eat too much food. That should be them right there with most of america on their ability to get into heaven. Any of you believers in this thread on your second or third marriage?
The age old... you have to believe in order to understand argument. You could use this for anything.
I can guarantee you that homosexual marriage would have a greater rate of success than today's traditional marriage. What is it now... something like a 50% success rate?
BornToBeRed said: WPS, just a head's up. We might be the most family-friendly board on the network, so take it easy on your normal wps-ness.
It's something like 50% of first marriages, 67% of second marriages, and 75% of third marriages end in divorce.
Yeah, you definitely could make that argument for most anything.
I also agree with you that a lot Christians rank sins when the Bible shows time and time again that they are all the same. Jesus even equates just lusting after a woman is committing adultery and John says that having hatred in your heart is like committing murder. All that means is that we all sin and have absolutely no chance of going to heaven if we don't have any way to get there besides our own power.
However, if you are convinced that there is no heaven and/or the Bible is a bunch of stories that has absolutely no relevance to today and that the only reason anyone on this board believes in Jesus is based on geography there is not much I am go to say to convince you otherwise. All I can say is that I am convinced.
I have read through once and have started over reading through again. I don't understand this picking and choosing quote. I find the verses that directly relate to whatever question or statement I am responding to. I also have not judged anyone on here.
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I believe that who goes to heaven and who doesn't is not for me to know or decide. I understand the mentally ill part but what do homeless people have to do with it? Yes God is wrathful and vengeful. I would quote the scriptures to support that but that's not good enough.
No, it's not. We want present-day examples... not words written down from people passing down stories orally from thousands of years ago.
Wait, it's not for you to know? I thought the whole point was that the Bible pretty much gave you a roadmap for what to do and what not to do in order to get into Heaven. If it's not for you to know who goes to Heaven, doesn't that make the entire exercise pretty much arbitrary?
Yeah but weird how Corinthians 6:9 1 doesn't actually say "nor men who practice homosexuality". It says ...nor "malakoi, arsenokoitai", nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
"Nor men who practice homosexuality" is just one interpretation. Malakoi/Arsenokoitai has been alternately interpreted as pederasty, fey or effeminate, going brown with a woman (sodomy), or "abusers of themselves with mankind" what ever that means. The meanings of those words have been debated for centuries. And the only other place in the bible it can be found is in Timothy 1:10.
But whatever, I can see how that interpretation is totally valid. The problem to me lies with who wrote it. A guy who NEVER met Jesus. A guy who was pro-slavery. A guy who believed women had no rights. Read: A fallible human being.
I'm cool with having a literal interpretation (whatever interpretation you choose) of the bible. But you have to go all the way. If you're going to assert that homosexuality is a sin (by citing Corinthians) you also have to evangelize about the benefits of slavery and the evils of women's suffrage imo.
Ok. Here come some real life stuff before and after I was saved.
I grew up in church. When I say I grew up there I mean my dad was a deacon and we were there every time the doors opened. I also was one of the most vile individuals that has ever walked this planet. I was a drug user, I drank a lot, I was a womaniser, I lied constantly, I did not have any type of conscience. I played a role around my family and church people. That role was "I'm a good boy who does all the right things. I started feeling like something was missing in my life when I was about 14. I knew the stories of Jesus but nothing more. I denied Jesus for the next 5 years while I was doing all the things I posted above. One evening I went to a church service with my family about 6hrs from where we lived. I'm not sure what the preacher or the singers that were there said but I couldn't escape from my sin that night nor the pressing on my heart that Jesus was doing. There at that church is where I gave my heart to the Lord. I would like to tell you that after that night, I have lived a perfect and sinless life, but that would be far from the truth. I got married in 2002 to a beautiful Christian young woman. For the first two years I was an absolute jerk. I was hard nosed about everything. Very controlling. She couldn't breath without me criticizing the sound. I was horrible. One day she is holding our 2 month old daughter and she tells me she wants a divorce. I was surprised and mad. When she began to tell me all the things I was doing and how I was acting I became even more mad, but hid it and told her I would change (yep, I was "that guy"). Of course I changed for a while but eventually went back to my old ways. This behavior caused my wife to become an alcoholic. Our relationship spiraled downward. All during this time I was playing church again. Looked good on the outside. She told me once again that she wanted a divorce. I begged her to give it a try one more time. She was done. We lived in the same house with our children but didn't sleep in the same bed. After I realized she was done I started praying again and asking God to show me what my faults were. He began to reveal these things to me after about a week of praying and reading scripture. I soon started praying for specific sins in my life and asked God to change me into the husband that He wanted me to be and that my wife needed me to be. When I say praying I mean I was weeping over my sin and what I had caused. After about 3 months of living in the same house with my wife, I started noticing a difference in her. She was a little more talkative. A little more pleasant to be around. She eventually told me that she also had started praying for me. This coming October we will celebrate our 11year anniversary and its all because of God.
I pray this one story (there are others) will help someone understand why I love my Lord so much.
I also don't believe in getting "saved." Seems like the easy way out after living life like a really shitty person. It's ok now. I'm saved!
Yes, what to do (give your heart to Jesus). We don't have the knowledge of who is going.
A vast segment of the homeless population have a mental illness. Meaningless, I was just loosely referencing Cock Probablygay's post.
You can quote scriptures that support the wrathful vengeance of God but nothing that would give you any insight on who goes to heaven and who does not?
I respect you for posting all of that. I really do. Honestly...
However... You only wanted to change after she threatened you with a divorce. I bet it was more mental than anything else. People change... sometimes for the better... sometimes for the worst. Sounds like you manned up and became a good husband because she threatened to leave you. I don't see how God was involved.
I'm glad things worked out for you, it sounds like you're a much better and happier person now than you were, and I'm glad of that - the more happiness, love, and good feeling in the world, the better. I'm going to ask some questions, and I hope you'll answer them seriously and without taking offense, because I'm not asking in any attempt to embarrass or trick you.
1. "He began to reveal these things to me after about a week of praying and reading scripture." How exactly did God "reveal" your faults to you?
2. "I...asked God to change me into the husband that He wanted me to be and that my wife needed me to be." How did God change you? If a non-religious person made the same change, wouldn't it be more impressive because they had done it all on their own, through the sheer force of their own will?
3. It sounds like you've done a lot of bad things in your life - both "bad" in a purely moral sense, and you've treated your wife badly. Now that you've found religion, do you consider yourself a better person than a non-religious person who has never done anything wrong and has always treated their partner like royalty?
Wait, you were a 14yr old womenizing alcoholic?
There is nothing in your story that a cannot understand or empathize with. Glad everything worked out for you.
What else are you gonna do in Mississippi other than burn crosses?
At least he's a better person now you dick.
False. That's only here in Arkansas.
I thought you guys went straight to siblings?
Some do; Most do not. That whole saying, "The closer the kin, the further it goes in" is a damn lie.
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