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IMO, schollies should be yearly anyway and not 4 years
I think that right now they are only for a year aren't they? Maybe that is how the schools are getting around it. I'm pretty sure that schollies aren't 4 years guaranteed in the SEC. I could be wrong, but I think that the 4 year guarantee is only a concept that is on the table at this point. It's not in effect yet.
Eh, I agree and disagree. I would like to see there be more of an incentive for good performance a la grade requirements in academic scholarships, but I could see it getting abused with guys getting cut who are playing well and playing hard to make room for some freshman "phenom."
Pretty good explanation, in my opinion:
Barring opposition, new rule will go into effect for all of NCAA on Aug. 1.
Some schools do it each way.
Spurrier operates on a yearly basis. He says you have to earn them each year just like you have to earn your way in life.
I have no idea. If you are the 30th kid to sign when a school can give 25 scholarships, then you are an idiot and don't deserve an education.
People are bitching now about how many commits a team has. Well, you can have a hundred, you can have a thousand. You can give a maximum of 25 scholarships per year and 85 total at any one time. Have no idea why people are unable to comprehend that very simple concept.
That's exactly what happens. UGA has 9 EE's that count to the '12 class (that only had 16 initial counters).
"...this is the game plan, we have no alternate plan"-Erskine Russell
I believe it really changed things by making the school adhere to the 85 limit in the spring and not the beginning of fall. Some teams were basically having tryouts through spring and summer practice.
They would also sign more assuming some of the kids wouldn't qualify academically. They aren't afforded this luxury anymore.
You guys only had 16 signees last year?
I think that Saban is the same way at Bama.
I'm pretty sure that Richt offers a guaranteed four years.
Because I guarantee you that there are schools in the SEC last year and this year that will have over 25 kids that sign letters of intent. The 85 total will not be exceeded, but there will be schools that sign more than 25 kids in February. I wasn't asking about the 85 number. I asked about the 25 number.
Yep and it should be 1 year. You shouldn't be guaranteed anything.
Academic scholarships aren't guaranteed.
Ratt, take 6 early entries and 5 grey shirts and 36 works fine. End result is 25 per class and 85 total. This is one area that is impossible to hide from the NCAA. You cannot hide it. Can it result in a kid showing up on campus and bein told they can't honor his scholarship? Yes. Again, if you are signee #35 in a class of 25, you are potentially a dumbass.
The NCAA 85/25 limits have been in effect for 30 years. They do not prevent oversigning. They merely limit how many players a team can have on scholarship each semester. Basically, if you cut a player from the roster you can replace him. And that's the problem. Some coaches have developed a regular practice of cutting "underperforming" players every year just so they can sign new ones. It's a terrible thing to do to a player who was promised an education and who is fulfilling all his obligations, but it's very tempting because it creates a significant competitive advantage for those who do it. The new SEC "no signing over 25" rule was supposed to put an end to the practice, but it clearly doesn't if all it does is mirror the existing NCAA 85/25 limits.
This post was edited by MrWoodson 19 months ago
We signed 19 last year, but 3 were backcounted to the '11 class. We haven't signed 25 in quite a while. Uga had around 75 scholarship players on roster this year. (not counting walk-ons that were awarded schollies)
The problem is, what determines doing your part? All I had to keep for my academic scholarship was a 3.0 or better. So, where do we set the cutoff for athletes in their sport?
I agree with you about them being dumbasses if what you say if correct. I've heard of like one or two kids taking a greyshirt but I've never heard of five or six. Now that the rule has been around for a few years in the SEC that the EE's would already have caught up with schools.
I do get what you're saying though. However they do it, as long as the 85 number limit isn't exceeded then whatever. I was honestly just trying to figure out why they even made a 25 number rule in the first place. Someone asked me about it earlier and I just had to shake my head and say that I had no fvcking idea.
Not sure, but IMO you shouldn't be guaranteed anything.
Academic scholarships aren't givien on a 4 yr basis and they say oh you can have this guaranteed even if you fail.
This post was edited by Jeff4SC 19 months ago
No, but I don't want to see a guy who might not be a starter but his trying as best he can and is at least a good player get cut to make room for some freshman. It's one thing to be a lazy slacker, it's another to be a career backup. The latter can still be a good person and a hard-worker and they deserve to stay on. Considering how few of these guys actually go pro, there's more to the scholarship and their future than just playing football.
UGA has more like 69 not including walk-ons...
My schollie was the same way on the academic side. Maybe the athletes have something written in their scholarships that say if you keep a certain GPA that you still get to keep your scholarship though. You would think they would have something like that.
Whether they do or not beats the fvck out of me. I don't know how you say that you aren't "doing your part" and yank a kids schollie for athletics. Seems like a slippery slope.
If that's the only thing that has changed, it's pitiful. All a coach has to do is cull his roster in late December after bowl practices (or the day before NSD even) rather than in late April after Spring ball. It barely changes anything.
Ratt, I think you and I both agree it is a crock of shit. We had a decommitt at noon on NSD that was the 35th player Miami signed. They had 8 early enrollees and I think two that didn't qualify, which kept them at 25.
Well of course they have to pass so many hours, but it should not be guaranteed regardless. You have to earn your way.
Actually thanks for the info UGA fans. At least I have an answer for my buddy tomorrow when it comes to UGA. I also have no idea what A&M's situation is either. They could very well be in the same boat as you guys. Impressive fvcking year for UGA if you really only had 69 players on scholarship though.
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