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Not sure if this will help or hurt Oregon.
Don't see how it could help or hurt. I don't see how anything he says at this point could be considered credible anyways. Funny how he said he wouldn't say anything until all the kids had immunity though because he wants to protect the kids. Hasn't he done enough damage already?
Lyles is a hack.. Seems like he just wants attention.
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
This is what I was thinking about as well. People have kinda forgot about him and now he is doing the look at me, look at me BS.
I agree. I think Oregon is going to have some sanctions against them, but I don't really expect anything serious or any postseason bans, IMO. If there are scholarship restrictions, it should be minimal and, but I would expect something more along the lines of contact limitations and things like that.
Yes Oregon will be hit I just really don't know how hard. Could be a slap on the wrist or a USC ARape type thing.
Most ncaa cases are built on people that lack credibility.
I wouldn't expect anything like USC got, IMO, unless some other things are discovered.
Reggie Bush got benefits that didn't help usc. Oregon may have directly benefitted from the lyles situation.
So what you are saying is that it is OK for players to recieve benefits once they've signed on the dotted line?
That completely negates their amatuer status and they become ineligible at that point. Allowing him to continue to play amatuer sports benefitted USC at the time.
Same thing happened at Alabama in 1993 when Antonio Langham signed with an agent on a cocktail napkin at a bar after the Sugar Bowl win against Miami and accepted a sum of money that was in the neighborhood of $5,000. Even though Langham was suspended when the compliance department found this out after 11 games the next season, we went down for it. Alabama received the benefit of a player playing 11 games in the 1993 season that should not have been eligible. There was a trail that the investigators said Alabama should have caught and we went on probation, lost postseason rights for 1995 and 30 scholarships over 3 years, which was later reduces to 21 scholarships over 3 years at appeals when they ruled that there wasn't sufficient evidence ina ruling they made on an allegation of a loan to a player dating back to 1985. It's still the only appeal that a school has won.
If you are going off what happened at USC, UNC, tOSU, Oregon, Miami, UCF - USC should have got the lightest penalties.
Unfortunately, the NCAA can do whatever the hell the want. If the NCAA views Oregon as "paying" for players, the NCAA could hit them like UNC. If the NCAA views this as just Oregon taking advantage of a loophole, they might lose a scholarship or two.
Comparing the USC case to the Oregon case is laughable. In the USC case, if I remember correctly, it was a prospective agent, and not anyone associated with USC, who was giving Reggie Bush impermissible benefits in the hope that Bush would sign with him. In the Oregon case, it was the school who cut a check for 25 thousand dollars to a third party in the hopes of signing the player.
Well, thats not what I said at all. Both cases involve lack of oversight. But to your question, I do think it's worse to steer a player to a certain school than for the student to get involved with agents.
That would depend how many of those players played ineligibly. If they link Lyles with LaMichael James, then Oregon is in trouble, but if is just with Lache Seastrunk, he never played a down for them, IIRC and they wouldn't get near what USC got. Compliance departments have to know what is going on with the players and they players have to be responsible enough to not take the perks.
Even if not a single person outside of Reggie Bush did anything wrong, Reggie Bush was a part of USC and he totally screwed over the entire football program. It sucks for everyone else, but that's what happens.
That pretty much summarizes it.
I wouldn't pin it as paying 25G's in hopes of signing a player just yet... In this case, the Zero's were just paying the going rate for recruiting information.
I don't disagree with that. My previous post though is kind of the issue here. If LaMichael James is linked...or anyone that played, they are going down much like USC did. If it is just Seastrunk, it won't be nearly as bad.
Same think with Alabama's penalties in 2002. If Albert Means had not played a down and this would have been discovered before hand, it would have been a slap on the wrist compared to what happened. A school doesn't have to be perfect, but the compliance department has to catch the issues.
I am not saying that is completely fair, but it is the way. There has to be punishment to deter programs from not only committing the penalties, but to also force the programs to not allow it to happen via another outlet either.
please tell me you are trolling w/ this post.
They paid the going rate for recruiting information and received a box of hammers. This is the issue.
Lyles = Sheridan
To be honest, there is no point in comparing any cases in ncaa history
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ReasonableDoubt 23 months ago
Ah, you edited your post.
From his wikipedia page
"Means was a standout defensive tackle at Trezevant High School in Memphis, Tennessee. As a high school senior in 1999, he was Tennessee's Mr. Football, a high school All American and was one of the most highly regarded football players in the nation. Many analysts considered Means to be the best high school defensive lineman in the United States. Several schools competed to land him as a recruit, and he ultimately signed with the University of Alabama. He appeared in seven games during the 2000 season, starting four of them."
I agree though that you can't compare anything today as there is no sliding scale, which there should be. I was just saying that Oregon's chances of getting a slap on the wrist greatly rely on whether players implicated actual played a game or not.
The Bush and USC case runs much deeper than the Oregon one, IMO. I don't try to speculate on whether the NCAA got anything right or not. They were punished for not looking into a situation involving the highest profile player in the country at the time and writing it off as nothing more so than anything that actually happened, IMO. I have to think that there was a feeling that PC and some of the Athletic Department were not cooperating with the investigation as well, although I have no way of knowing.
The reason USC got hit so hard (Which USC fans always forget) is they were prosecuted under the NCAA's definition of "repeat offender". In that they were under some sort of NCAA probation when the Bush situation happened.
Not to break it to hard to my fellow Oregon fans, but the reason Oregon could get hit at least as hard as USC is, they were in the same situation. They were under probation from 2004 until 2006 because of RECRUITING violations (Deemed "major" by the NCAA) and if the NCAA wants to make that a part of some pattern of behavior, then Oregon could be slapped around like Tina Turner after a bad show with Ike.
Don't worry, that fat hypocrite is dead and buried...you won't get slammed. Oregon was no threat to Florida/Miami consideration for program of the decade in the 2000s.
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By getting a player who didn't play one snap? Who was behind walk ons on our depth chart? Yeah that benefited us greatly.
I'd argue that keeping Reggie and his family happy benefitted USC a lot more than lache benefitted Oregon.
The argument that 'it didn't really benefit us because he turned out to be shitty at football' won't fly too far.
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