In partnership with CBSSports.com
We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.
Where the madness isn't just in March.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Yeah, I'm not so confident in your Oregon suppositions... Or anyone else's for that matter. Because no one knows.
What was he doing?
Lyles gave him an easy, immediate entree into the world of Texas football. Prior to Lyles they did not have a firm toehold there.
As for LMJ, Lyes came up with the solution of taking him across the border in order to get him his diploma/eligible.
Paying for LMJ? What an effing joke. The dude was a 3-star player.
They were paying him for his access and knowledge of recruits... Just because he was some scrap that couldn't throw together a recruiting package does not mean that his info wasn't very valuable.
Lyles said himself that he was not paid to steer recruits to Oregon, then he flipped and said, he "believed" he was "paid for his influence". This came right after Oregon completely threw him under the wheels and distanced themselves. This, and trying to cover it by requesting 'anything' from him retroactively was alternately Oregon's most damning (and dumbest) mistake. Then Lyles semi-flipped back and said he never steered recruits to Oregon.
What we know: a) Oregon is in summary disposition. This means that it's highly, highly unlikely it will be an SC level kill-shot. b) Lyles has zero credibility. c) Oregon was operating in a completely gray area. d) Oregon paid Lyles with public (university) funds. Pretty easy to infer here that they felt what they were doing wasn't wrong.
Best case: It's a wrist slap, easy compliance issue.
Worst case: Lache has told something to the NCAA that says "Uh, yeah, I never would have attended Oregon had it not been for Lyles nudging me in that direction." Then it's kaboom-time.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by brem22 23 months ago
You're deep brain damaged, man. Avert your eyes and back away slowly...
Oh yeah. One small caveat I should have added.
Does he have an alter ego named Danny Sherridan?
Of course I have...
"The general campus environment surrounding the violations troubled the committee. At
least at the time of the football violations, there was relatively little effective monitoring
of, among others, football locker rooms and sidelines, and there existed a general postgame
locker room environment that made compliance efforts difficult."
And you, as a USC fan, should know that USC never offered up any findings from any investigation. Why are you having suck a tough time with that?
Did you not read the Yahoo article that had pictures of Chip Kelly handwritten letters to Lyles thanking him for arranging Lache and other recruits visits to Oregon?
God damn you guys are dumb. He paid for a street agent. And then when he got caught, Kelly asked for some bs work product to justify that expense after the fact. That work product included a couple YouTube videos of certain prospects, one of whom was dead and the rest who had already signed elsewhere.
You were paying a street agent. Deal with it. This was pointed out on Texas messageboards back in 2010 when your 5 star Texas running back wasn't offered by Texas, OU, or A&M. We told you that back then and you Ducks said we were jealous.
Basically, look at top recruits from Texas ignored by Texas, OU, and A&M and courted by Oregon, LSU, Baylor, Tennessee, and Auburn. That identifies the scumbag street agents and their enablers
Major Applewhite spilled it on Kelly's buddy Will Lyles.
Ok, I'm done. You dumb.
Cool unrelated quote.
So, to be clear, you can't provide any evidence to support your claim?
as always , same BS different day . the guy seems like bad news
Dude, it's clearly noted but not noted in the report, obviously. And it's simply fact that it's noted - though it's not actually noted because how can he disprove a negative if it's been noted but not really noted? Look, he plainly noted he read the report, or not. So quit trying to twist his words when it comes to his comprehensive insight into the SC athletic department.
The lynn lang guy who said bama paid him for means did so as part of a plea deal. He was facing forty years in prison but got off with two years probation after saying bama paid him.
+1 for your handle
uh, how the hell do you think oregon and lyles got busted?
Let me guess, the Texas message boards? Applewhite ratted Lyles out. But what the hell does that have to do with anything? The only question at hand is if Lyles got these kids to go to Oregon for payment. Oregon got loads from Lyles in the way of valuable intel - WHY they recruited LMJ so hard. That is worth money. If Lyles said, "hey take a look at Oregon, they fit your style of play, but OU is solid, here's why, as is Texas, etc" then it's not "paying for players". Or is it? It's a completely gray area not defined by the rules. Is giving some kids insight into programs they might not ordinarily have any clue about against the rules? Uh, no, it isn't. Is delivering that player for $$ against the rules, hell yes. But there is zero evidence at this point that that happened.
So if some boob that takes his news from Hookem dot tard wants to clamor that they know what the deal is, when they obviously do not, then yeah, I'm laughing.
This post was edited by brem22 23 months ago
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent
Wow...you are a real scientist, arent you?
USC HAD an investigation on the Mayo case. That self investigation is mentioned in the report.
USC did no self investigations on the Bush case. None. There is no USC investigation mentioned in the NCAA report, because they did not do one.
You really dont believe me? Who cares? Its just demonstrating your complete lack of knowledge about your own school. USC did not self investigate in the Bush case, and therefore had no information to supply to the NCAA.
what does it have to do w/ anything? the fact that you're trying to say that texas message boards didn't out lyles and oregon, which is exactly what happened. barking carnival and shaggybevo posters were the 1st ones reporting on lyles and were, quite literally, giving almost live reporting on the seastrunk recruitment. that's what got yahoo involved. applewhite may have reported lyles to the ncaa back in 08 or 09, but the ncaa didn't get involved until after yahoo started publishing stories that came from those posters on those two sites.
you want to say people don't know what the deal is at the same time you're saying lyles didn't deliver players for money? holy hell.
Let's just assume for the moment that what you are saying is accurate. That Shaggybevo broke the Lyles story.
I'm asking this in all serious, not effing with you - exactly what about Seastrunk's recruitment comes from the Texas message boards has not already been widely reported by *credible* news outlets?
I'm not saying Lyles did not deliver players for money. Maybe he did. But there is just as much evidence available to you, me, or Shaggy b-hole that says he did not.
Also note that the same poster asserted that Texas, OU, etc, did not recruit Seastrunk because of his affiliation to Lyles. That any top athlete from Texas that didn't sign with Texas means that Texas didn't recruit them. Because of their shady relations with street agents. Even though that's easily, laughably, demonstratively refutable it still must be true, right? Let me guess, the think-tank that is Barking Carnival broke that story as well?
shaggy/barking carnival was at least a year, if not two, before yahoo. as in, from the very beginning of seastrunk's recruitment in the spring of 08.
So, you don't have any evidence. Cool. Glad we settled that.
i'd love for you to show how that's easily, laughably, demonstratively refutable. mack won't deal w/ players who have street agents. they get one meeting, and mack tells them how it is. if they cut all ties, they can be recruited (see: jenkins, peter). if they don't cut ties, they won't (see: seastrunk, lache).
there's a 2014 prospect tied to barron flenory that has visited w/ mack already. be interesting to see if he ever visits again, and if not, what schools do pursue him.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports