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  • coolstorybro said...

    Only problem is when the 2 best teams are in the same conference (2009, Alabama and Florida)

    Didn't Alabama get worked by Utah that year? A Utah team that went undefeated.

    EDIT

    That was the year before I think. UA and UF were definitely the two best teams in '09.

    This post was edited by devidee on 4/5/2011 at 6:54 PM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    why not just take the top 16 in the BCS and seed them that way. who cares what conference you're in.

    well anyways, it's been fun but in the end, a CFB playoff will never happen. so my advice is just be happy that CFB has the craziest regular seasons in all of sports because of it.

    Have the computers and AP decide who goes in the playoffs too.. badidea

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  • ApostolicHawk said...

    Have the computers and AP decide who goes in the playoffs too.. badidea

    Why is it a bad idea? We're talking about a 16 team playoff. The 16 seed shouldn't even be in a playoff anyways but they would still get in.

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  • MarineMountie10 said...

    Just think its a shame that we don't know if Auburn was truly the best team last season. Without a true postseason its impossible to really know.

    2/3 of the voting for the bcs is complete bull$h!t. Computers and coaches who don't even watch the games? Real solid!

    Also, the other 1/3 is flawed to. You have biased voters (Like good ole Herbie dropping OSU to #9 after beating Arky in the sugar bowl). It's like politics, and thats why you see coaches campaigning to get their team into the title game (like LLoyd Carr/Urban in 2006).

    There is no perfect system to determine a "true champion", but give me the system that allows the teams to actually play it out on the field, compared to some ridiculous computer based BS system. You wanna be the best team? Prove it in a playoff type setting ON THE FIELD.

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  • Einstein said...

    If you had a 16 team playoff (11 conference bids, 5 at large) then only 13% of current FBS teams would make it.

    Looks like you read Death to the BCS, great read. Fact is these guys running the BCS are crooks and are killing CFb. A playoff would do wonders and finally put all the questions to rest about who the best team is.

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  • Murrdawg69 said...

    2/3 of the voting for the bcs is complete bull$h!t. Computers and coaches who don't even watch the games? Real solid!

    Also, the other 1/3 is flawed to. You have biased voters (Like good ole Herbie dropping OSU to #9 after beating Arky in the sugar bowl). It's like politics, and thats why you see coaches campaigning to get their team into the title game (like LLoyd Carr/Urban in 2006).

    There is no perfect system to determine a "true champion", but give me the system that allows the teams to actually play it out on the field, compared to some ridiculous computer based BS system. You wanna be the best team? Prove it in a playoff type setting ON THE FIELD.

    at least the computer polls have no bias in them, and they work the same way every time, and they are all agreed upon prior. if you have a problem with the computer polls then you certainly should have a problem with the RPI in CBB, no?

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Why is it a bad idea? We're talking about a 16 team playoff. The 16 seed shouldn't even be in a playoff anyways but they would still get in.

    It's a bad idea because the game is still not settled on the field. It is settled on a server somewhere. If you have the conference champions, and then at large. This would be settled on the field, not by some programming code.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    at least the computer polls have no bias in them, and they work the same way every time, and they are all agreed upon prior. if you have a problem with the computer polls then you certainly should have a problem with the RPI in CBB, no?

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    roflmaoroflmaoroflmao

    how is that funny? a computer poll by design has only one way it can function. it is a set process that has no outside bias. they do work the same way every time given a certain input (wins and losses). a human poll doesn't work this way. at least a computer poll is consistent, that's what im saying.

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  • ApostolicHawk said...

    It's a bad idea because the game is still not settled on the field. It is settled on a server somewhere. If you have the conference champions, and then at large. This would be settled on the field, not by some programming code.

    so a 8-5 MAC conference winner should get a higher seed than a 12-1 SEC runner up. please.

    This post was edited by coolstorybro on 4/6/2011 at 12:17 AM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    so a 8-5 MAC conference winner should get a higher seed than a 12-1 SEC runner up. please.

    you mean like Uconn getting into a BCS bowl at 8-4 unranked.

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  • ApostolicHawk said...

    you mean like Uconn getting into a BCS bowl at 8-4 unranked.

    Exactly, conference auto bids are one of the dumbest things ever created for college sports

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  • T-Noles813 said...

    This is what happens when you have a playoff. You don't crown the best team as the NC, the best teams play a bad game or the mediocre teams get hot and you end up with a 3 seed vs a 8 seed (FYI, in football that'd be a #9-#12 vs a #32-#28 in football rankings) and a sh*tty NC game. This basketball game translated to football would be like Nevada vs Miami in the NC game. Think about that.

    Keep the bowl system.

    I don't have time to read all the posts this morning and am sorry I missed the discussion. But, I absolutlely agree that a playoff would RUIN the elegance of the bowl system, which happens to be the best month in sports.

    Keep the BCS!

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Exactly, conference auto bids are one of the dumbest things ever created for college sports

    Ok then, your against the auto bids, against the playoff. What do you think we should do?

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Exactly, conference auto bids are one of the dumbest things ever created for college sports

    I agree with this. People want a playoff so they can make sure we get a true champion, but then you're going to invite 11 out of 16 teams based on wining their conference, even if winning said conference doesn't mean you're necessarily in the top 50 teams in the country.

    That makes zero sense to me.

    Let's use 2010 as an example.

    1. Auburn - SEC Champ
    2. Oregon - Pac 10 champ
    3. TCU - Mountain West champ
    4. Stanford - At large
    5. Ohio State - Big Ten champ
    6. Wisconsin - At large
    7. Oklahoma - Big XII champ
    8. Arkansas - At large
    9. Boise State - At large
    10. LSU - At large
    11. Virginia Tech - ACC champ
    12. Connecticut - Big East champ
    13. UCF - Conf USA champ
    14. Miami (OH) - MAC champ
    15. Nevada - WAC champ
    16. Florida Int - Sun Belt champ

    So let's be honest....we just instituted a playoff to guarantee we get the best teams to decide a champion, but we gave 25% of the 16 seeds to teams that have ZERO chance at winning the title. We gave away 1/4 of the spots to teams that have NO BUSINESS being in the discussion of a national title. And why? Because they went 7-6 on the year but won the Sun Belt?

    That's a joke.

    Winning a conference makes you what?....CONFERENCE champs, nothing more. It should have no bearing on whether you deserve a shot at a NATIONAL title, as it doesn't represent, all by itself, that you are one of the top teams in the country.

    And that applies to EVERY conference. What if South Carolina had laid an egg against Clemson, but then upset Auburn? They would have been 9-4 and probably ranked about #18 or so, but also SEC champs. But in reality, based on rankings and the body of work, they would still be probably the 5th best team in the conference.

    In my opinion, if you do a playoff and don't start out with the best teams as your participants, then you've just created another fantastically flawed system.

    And as I state on page 2, I really think that if you go beyond 6 teams, you're inviting teams that don't deserve a shot. If you lost 2 games, you kinda gave up your right to demand a shot at the title.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jadennis on 4/6/2011 at 10:54 AM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    how is that funny? a computer poll by design has only one way it can function. it is a set process that has no outside bias. they do work the same way every time given a certain input (wins and losses). a human poll doesn't work this way. at least a computer poll is consistent, that's what im saying.

    It's funny because only the programmers really know how they work and here's the most important point....a computer does not watch the games.

    A system that relies on, 1/3 computer poll, and 1/3 coaches poll, which is just as worthless, makes it funnier than Paris Hilton talking about the virtues of abstinence.

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    It's funny because only the programmers really know how they work and here's the most important point....a computer does not watch the games.

    A system that relies on, 1/3 computer poll, and 1/3 coaches poll, which is just as worthless, makes it funnier than Paris Hilton talking about the virtues of abstinence.

    funnypostLove the Paris Hilton comment. Agree with rest of post as well

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  • TrojanWarrior1 said...

    It's funny because only the programmers really know how they work and here's the most important point....a computer does not watch the games.

    A system that relies on, 1/3 computer poll, and 1/3 coaches poll, which is just as worthless, makes it funnier than Paris Hilton talking about the virtues of abstinence.

    And again, at least the computer poll is CONSISTENT. there is no bias from it, it will decide the same exact output given a certain criteria. now, the human polls never do this.

    and again, if we start bashing computer polls, why are we not bashing the RPI which is a major factor in deciding which teams get into the CBB tourney

    and in this situation, the BCS poll would simply give a seeding of teams (like the top 6 or 8 in BCS).

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  • Personally, I think conference champs should be in a playoff format.

    I don't think it should be a deal breaker though when talking about a playoff. Any form of playoff (even a plus one) is better than the current, corrupt system of the BCS.

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  • Conference auto bids were only instituted to draw more viewers for title games. it's all about money, the idea of finding the best team is foreign

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  • coolstorybro said...

    And again, at least the computer poll is CONSISTENT. there is no bias from it, it will decide the same exact output given a certain criteria. now, the human polls never do this.

    and again, if we start bashing computer polls, why are we not bashing the RPI which is a major factor in deciding which teams get into the CBB tourney

    and in this situation, the BCS poll would simply give a seeding of teams (like the top 6 or 8 in BCS).

    Not exactly true. The formulas can be and have been tweeked throughout the years. In fact, some mathematicians have dropped out of participating because the BCS made them change how they did their calcuations. Basically, the BCS didn't like the results the computer poll was producing.

    This post was edited by devidee on 4/6/2011 at 10:56 AM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    And again, at least the computer poll is CONSISTENT. there is no bias from it, it will decide the same exact output given a certain criteria. now, the human polls never do this.

    and again, if we start bashing computer polls, why are we not bashing the RPI which is a major factor in deciding which teams get into the CBB tourney

    and in this situation, the BCS poll would simply give a seeding of teams (like the top 6 or 8 in BCS).

    I agree, I have no problem with 6 different computers combining to have 1/3 of the say so. And check each site, most of them have a pretty good explanation as to what they do to rank the teams. And while they seem crazy at weeks 9 and 10, usually by the end they are pretty reasonable.

    I think the argument against the Coaches is a more valid argument. They don't watch the games AND they aren't consistent or unbiased.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    And again, at least the computer poll is CONSISTENT. there is no bias from it, it will decide the same exact output given a certain criteria. now, the human polls never do this.

    and again, if we start bashing computer polls, why are we not bashing the RPI which is a major factor in deciding which teams get into the CBB tourney

    and in this situation, the BCS poll would simply give a seeding of teams (like the top 6 or 8 in BCS).

    They're consistently bad! A win over Cupcake U should not weigh the same as a win over a BCS conference team. Each of the computers formulas that are used are different...that in my book of definitions, does not translate to CONSISTENT.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Conference auto bids were only instituted to draw more viewers for title games. it's all about money, the idea of finding the best team is foreign

    What if every conference went to 12 teams, and had a conference championship game, based on record not computers. The winners of the conference's and at large go to the play off. Could you agree to this?

    ApostolicHawk

  • devidee said...

    Not exactly true. The formulas can be and have been tweeked throughout the years. In fact, some mathematicians have dropped out of participating because the BCS made them change how they did their calcuations. Basically, the BCS didn't like the results the computer poll was producing.

    which doesn't change a thing that i said. the point is, the computer system is determined PRIOR to the season starting. it is agreed upon

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