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  • TroyTide said...

    You determined I am on the fringe based of a couple of post? wow. And there is no such thing as an entirely original opinion. Most people of the same political persuasion will generally have the same opinions on most matters. So I am not really sure what your point is here.

    Espousing the type of typical group think rhetoric I originally responded to, is certainly indicative of someone on the fringe of their party. As a democrat I don't agree with a lot of my parties positions. Namely spending. You'll find that most democrats, as with most republicans, share the same core beliefs but understand that there are no "one size fits all" answers to our problems, and as such, some good answers will inevitably come from the opposite side of the aisle.

    Nole27 ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://encouragingbiblequotes.com/versesstrengtha.html

    My favorite: Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

    Of course, the bible teaches whatever you want it to teach you.

    Complete misinterpretation on your part.

    It is saying that strength and truth comes from God, not man.

    It does not say to sit back and wait for God to provide for you.

    TroyTide ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://encouragingbiblequotes.com/versesstrengtha.html

    My favorite: Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

    Of course, the bible teaches whatever you want it to teach you.

    Can't forget Jeremiah 39:18.

    "For I will surely deliver thee, and thou shalt not fall by the sword, but thy life shall be for a prey unto thee: because thou hast put thy trust in me, saith the LORD."

    But hey, I'm sure the Lord isn't implying that you actually will "fall by the sword" if you don't put your trust in him. You can totally rely on yourself.

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    CMXI ●

  • TroyTide said...

    Complete misinterpretation on your part.

    It is saying that strength and truth comes from God, not man.

    It does not say to sit back and wait for God to provide for you.

    Out of curiosity, what qualifies you to say that that's a "complete misinterpretation" of that particular verse?

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    CMXI ●

  • Nole27 said...

    Espousing the type of typical group think rhetoric I originally responded to, is certainly indicative of someone on the fringe of their party. As a democrat I don't agree with a lot of my parties positions. Namely spending. You'll find that most democrats, as with most republicans, share the same core beliefs but understand that there are no "one size fits all" answers to our problems, and as such, some good answers will inevitably come from the opposite side of the aisle.

    I never said I agree with everything the GOP does. You said I do. You assumed I do.

    I could just as easily say that any opinion you share with the Democratic party is "group-think" as well.

    So I guess what you are telling me is that any time I share a common conservative belief that I am just blindly following the GOP. So am I only showing independent thought when I disagree with them?

    As a conservative I have a lot of conservative opinions...imagine that.

    TroyTide ●

  • CMXI said...

    Out of curiosity, what qualifies you to say that that's a "complete misinterpretation" of that particular verse?

    Because he's reading the bible 'the right way'. Which is of course the only way to read it. Duh.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • TroyTide said...

    What a load of crap. lol. wow.

    Really? So American history hasn't been filled with people saying out one side of their mouth that they're tired of big government stepping all over their freedoms but out of the other talking about how certain groups don't deserve the same freedoms as them? You know some of our own Founding Fathers were slave owners, no?

    I don't believe it's nearly the problem it used to be; hell, I think in a lot of cases it has finally gone away, and even in some there is a case of the reverse. But don't ignore the history. It's there and it's not going away. Let's all just own up to it and use it as a means to not make mistakes on that same level of deplorable.

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  • CMXI said...

    Out of curiosity, what qualifies you to say that that's a "complete misinterpretation" of that particular verse?

    A lifetime of reading the Bible, attending church, and studying the teachings of Christ certainly qualifies me to interpret scripture more so than some anti-Christian liberal who did a google search for a Bible verse. If you would like I can get a pastor to interpret the verse and get back to you.

    It's ridiculous that you think you can tell the believer of a religion, any religion, what their religion teaches. Absolutely absurd.

    You can't cherry pick verses and make an argument if you have no understanding of the basic tenants of the scripture and no background to understand it. And besides neither of those verses mean what you two are trying to imply they do.

    TroyTide ●

  • TroyTide said...

    A lifetime of reading the Bible, attending church, and studying the teachings of Christ certainly qualifies me to interpret scripture more so than some anti-Christian liberal who did a google search for a Bible verse. If you would like I can get a pastor to interpret the verse and get back to you.

    It's ridiculous that you think you can tell the believer of a religion, any religion, what their religion teaches. Absolutely absurd.

    You can't cherry pick verses and make an argument if you have no understanding of the basic tenants of the scripture and no background to understand it. And besides neither of those verses mean what you two are trying to imply they do.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

    I was born and raised christian, have read the bible cover to cover more than once, and am not liberal.

    You are no more qualified to interpret the bible than I am.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • TroyTide said...

    It's ridiculous that you think you can tell the believer of a religion, any religion, what their religion teaches. Absolutely absurd.

    I have nothing against you, sir, but you have to note the irony in this statement. I see Christians telling me what Jews, Muslims, et al believe all the time.

    And, FTR, I'm not an atheist or agnostic.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Because he's reading the bible 'the right way'. Which is of course the only way to read it. Duh.

    I don't even know how to respond to this. You are trying to superimpose what you want into a text you have no knowledge of or association with. If you want to have a serious theological debate we can, but don't try telling me that Christianity is something different than it is.

    TroyTide ●

  • TroyTide said...

    A lifetime of reading the Bible, attending church, and studying the teachings of Christ certainly qualifies me to interpret scripture more so than some anti-Christian liberal who did a google search for a Bible verse. If you would like I can get a pastor to interpret the verse and get back to you.

    It's ridiculous that you think you can tell the believer of a religion, any religion, what their religion teaches. Absolutely absurd.

    You can't cherry pick verses and make an argument if you have no understanding of the basic tenants of the scripture and no background to understand it. And besides neither of those verses mean what you two are trying to imply they do.

    If a lifetime of attending church is all that one needs for correct interpretation of the Bible, does that mean that everyone who spends a lifetime attending church is correct in their interpretations of the Bible? If not, why not?

    FYI, it's "the basic tenets of scripture".

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    CMXI ●

  • sf2k4 said...

    I have nothing against you, sir, but you have to note the irony in this statement. I see Christians telling me what Jews, Muslims, et al believe all the time.

    And, FTR, I'm not an atheist or agnostic.

    You've never seen me do it.

    TroyTide ●

  • That's just it, your belief isn't a common conservative belief. It's a common belief among the fringe of your party. You could just as easily accuse me of group think, however, I've offered no evidence that would support you making such a claim. In fact, I've proven the contrary. Were I to lump you with all conservatives, that would be an example of the kind of group think my party participates in, i.e. all conservatives are heartless douchebags that hate poor people.

    Edit: You'll also notice that I've not discussed your religion at all. Why? Because that's your prerogative. Which would be a decidedly conservative viewpoint no?

    This post was edited by Nole27 on 1/17/2013 at 10:59 AM

    Nole27 ●

  • TroyTide said...

    You've never seen me do it.

    Nope, I have not. However, as I've seen many posters insinuate before, generalizations are the way to go these days (and are always true). So you just happened to get swallowed up in that.

    That's my biggest problem with debates like this. We use way too many generalizations and stereotypes, I guess because it makes it "easier," and thus we start off already in a bad place. That's why these discussions (not just here; anywhere in America) always devolve into nothing but shouting and insults. I think the best classic example is that, because some people on welfare are leaches on the government, that all poor people are lazy. I see that opinion on here all the time.

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  • CMXI said...

    If a lifetime of attending church is all that one needs for correct interpretation of the Bible, does that mean that everyone who spends a lifetime attending church is correct in their interpretations of the Bible? If not, why not?

    FYI, it's "the basic tenets of scripture".

    Being a grammar Nazi won't win the debate for you and looks petty.

    Also I am not sure what you are saying here. Any Christian will tell you that the Bible teaches hard work and supporting ones self and family and not to rely on others to do so.

    The different interpretations you speak are in regards to the different denominations. Who have disagreements over baptism etc.

    The Bible just like any other book can be interpreted any way a person wants to I suppose, but for the most part Christians agree on most of it. And self-reliance, hard work etc. are things that all Christians agree on.

    TroyTide ●

  • Nole27 said...

    That's just it, your belief isn't a common conservative belief. It's a common belief among the fringe of your party. You could just as easily accuse me of group think, however, I've offered no evidence that would support you making such a claim. In fact, I've proven the contrary. Were I to lump you with all conservatives, that would be an example of the kind of group think my party participates in, i.e. all conservatives are heartless douchebags that hate poor people.

    Edit: You'll also notice that I've not discussed your religion at all. Why? Because that's your prerogative. Which would be a decidedly conservative viewpoint no?

    Well if I am on the fringe seems I can hardly be accused of group think then, seems it would be just the opposite.

    TroyTide ●

  • TroyTide said...

    You are trying to superimpose what you want into a text you have no knowledge of or association with.

    How is this any different than you interpreting it how you'd like?

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    callen05

  • sf2k4 said...

    Nope, I have not. However, as I've seen many posters insinuate before, generalizations are the way to go these days (and are always true). So you just happened to get swallowed up in that.

    That's my biggest problem with debates like this. We use way too many generalizations and stereotypes, I guess because it makes it "easier," and thus we start off already in a bad place. That's why these discussions (not just here; anywhere in America) always devolve into nothing but shouting and insults. I think the best classic example is that, because some people on welfare are leaches on the government, that all poor people are lazy. I see that opinion on here all the time.

    I agree with this post.

    And I am guilty of generalizing myself.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 1/17/2013 at 11:05 AM

    TroyTide ●

  • TroyTide said...

    Being a grammar Nazi won't win the debate for you and looks petty.

    Also I am not sure what you are saying here. Any Christian will tell you that the Bible teaches hard work and supporting ones self and family and not to rely on others to do so.

    The different interpretations you speak are in regards to the different denominations. Who have disagreements over baptism etc.

    The Bible just like any other book can be interpreted any way a person wants to I suppose, but for the most part Christians agree on most of it. And self-reliance, hard work etc. are things that all Christians agree on.

    But who is sitting here telling you that hard work and self reliance is a bad thing? I don't think you'll find anyone here who supports a welfare system that does nothing but pay people for sitting on their ass all day; I've never seen one person say so. But the Bible also teaches to love thy neighbor and to help others, and as far as welfare goes, those of us that support it want to use it to help people that truly need it. Just because someone works hard, as hard as can be, doesn't mean they don't need help. But again, we generalize too much, and those that actually need help are starting to get swallowed up in the argument against welfare because of the people that abuse it. That's not fair to those that are not abusing it.

    I realize this discussion isn't about welfare, I was just using it as an example.

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  • TroyTide said...

    Well if I am on the fringe seems I can hardly be accused of group think then, seems it would be just the opposite.

    Not when you share the same beliefs with 1-2 percent of 50 percent of America. That's a fairly substantial number no?

    Nole27 ●

  • callen05 said...

    How is this any different than you interpreting it how you'd like?

    How is it different that I as a Christian interpret a Christian text than how a non-Chrsitian interprets a Christian text? Geez I don't know.

    TroyTide ●

  • TroyTide said...

    A lifetime of reading the Bible, attending church, and studying the teachings of Christ certainly qualifies me to interpret scripture more so than some anti-Christian liberal who did a google search for a Bible verse. If you would like I can get a pastor to interpret the verse and get back to you.

    It's ridiculous that you think you can tell the believer of a religion, any religion, what their religion teaches. Absolutely absurd.

    You can't cherry pick verses and make an argument if you have no understanding of the basic tenants of the scripture and no background to understand it. And besides neither of those verses mean what you two are trying to imply they do.

    Wow....just wow.

    BetterOff

  • The OP cited a website run by an absolute lunatic and conspiracy theorist. Good stuff.

    Hot Sauce

  • Nole27 said...

    Not when you share the same beliefs with 1-2 percent of 50 percent of America. That's a fairly substantial number no?

    Well almost all of us share beliefs on many things with a far greater percentage of people so I guess we all do group-think all the time on most everything.

    TroyTide ●

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