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But who is sitting here telling you that hard work and self reliance is a bad thing? I don't think you'll find anyone here who supports a welfare system that does nothing but pay people for sitting on their ass all day; I've never seen one person say so. But the Bible also teaches to love thy neighbor and to help others, and as far as welfare goes, those of us that support it want to use it to help people that truly need it. Just because someone works hard, as hard as can be, doesn't mean they don't need help. But again, we generalize too much, and those that actually need help are starting to get swallowed up in the argument against welfare because of the people that abuse it. That's not fair to those that are not abusing it.
I realize this discussion isn't about welfare, I was just using it as an example.
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Being a grammar Nazi won't win the debate for you and looks petty.
Also I am not sure what you are saying here. Any Christian will tell you that the Bible teaches hard work and supporting ones self and family and not to rely on others to do so.
The different interpretations you speak are in regards to the different denominations. Who have disagreements over baptism etc.
The Bible just like any other book can be interpreted any way a person wants to I suppose, but for the most part Christians agree on most of it. And self-reliance, hard work etc. are things that all Christians agree on.
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Hey man, I'm just trying to help you avoid looking worse. If you use the word "tenants" instead of "tenets", it demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on your part - if you can't even be bothered to get the name of the concept you're talking about right, then why should I listen to your analysis?
Thank you for acknowledging that the Bible is open for interpretation. Now, are you still saying that your status as a Christian (and your lifetime of Christianity) make your interpretation more valid than mine?
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Thank you, it always feels good when a post really hits home with someone. And especially when they seem so greatly impressed.
I believe you can follow me on here if you want to see more of what I have to offer.
I think I can say, with a fair amount of confidence, that you are wildly misinterpreting the tone of BetterOff's post.
Unless you're being completely sarcastic here too, but somehow I doubt that.
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One of my big questions is always this: Say we COULD get healthcare, education, etc. for free in this country and it didn't mean taxing the hell out of the population; I realize it's a very abstract concept that's not very plausible, but bear with me; would people still be against it?
Basically, is the problem financial or philosophical?
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It's not because they are rich, it's because many of the rich tend to be so full of themselves. Because of what they have accomplished or have accumulated they think themselves greater or above God or that they don't need him. The Bible is also full of rich people who were very much in God's favor. Particularly Kings etc. Being rich doesn't damn you to hell. lol. That's not what he was saying.
Your second sentence is just flat stupid.
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One of my big questions is always this: Say we COULD get healthcare, education, etc. for free in this country and it didn't mean taxing the hell out of the population; I realize it's a very abstract concept that's not very plausible, but bear with me; would people still be against it?
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No I wouldn't. I am not opposed to free healthcare at all, but I am opposed to federally run healthcare system. It would be a financial nightmare and not but a disaster. If the State of Alabama were to implement a healthcare program that was fiscally responsible yet still produced good results and encouraged innovation in healthcare I would be all for it.
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No I wouldn't. I am not opposed to free healthcare at all, but I am opposed to federally run healthcare system. It would be a financial nightmare and not but a disaster. If the State of Alabama were to implement a healthcare program that was fiscally responsible yet still produced good results and encouraged innovation in healthcare I would be all for it.
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The verse in question: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
As I said, republican christians tend to ignore this one.
EDIT: More context, just so people know I'm not cherry picking: 16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
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brem22 said...
Sorry to interject, but of course it does.
Do you have an advanced degree from an accredited divinity school? If not, then your opinions on the bible, or Christianity, hold no more weight than anyone else that has any familiarity with it. Your years of study could be completely one-sided or subjectively biased.
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