The Blue Board

Even if they do see it regularly, that doesn't mean that liberals believe it's right. Do you guys just ascribe everything you disagree with to liberal philosophy? Just because a couple d-bag lawyers take those cases to get some money doesn't mean that all liberals believe it is that person's right to sue when they would have died otherwise.

If they're free, I have less of a problem with it except for two things:

A) How would the poor know where to get these for free? They don't have tvs, let's not forget. It would take a concerted effort and tens of millions of dollars to ensure they know how to obtain these IDs that are free.
B) You still run into the problem that people have to expend effort to get these IDs. Of course, that makes it less likely they will want to put in that effort. I know, it's depressing that having to put in any form of effort discourages people but it does. Even older people who have expired drivers licenses will balk at having to go get a free ID.

And you took the whole male land owners thing a bit too far. I was just trying to say the same reasons that keep us from requiring people to own land should keep us from requiring them to pay money for an ID that lets them vote- both would exclude the poor to one degree or another.

I apologize if you felt I was accusing you of racist motivations in your beliefs regarding voter IDs.

Oh lord... How much is illegal immigration costing us?

How are illegals ruining the country? Any facts we can get? Our is this the next hot-button issue the republicans are going to distract everyone with while they sell another pork-laden solution to the sheep while lining their friends'pockets?

You all sound so stupid... The whole process is designed too be divisive enough to let them keep fucking us from both sides while the "Americans"are distracted like simple minded cats and a laser pointer

silly, you all are ruining the country in your simpleness while the pageant continues like a professional wrestling plot...

I already stated earlier how the Texas ID bill in question doesn't comply with VRA of '67.

C'Mon man... Just outright falsehood...

Ha ha ha the politics of fear are strong in this thread...

Food for thought: there can be a movement without a god, but never without a devil.

Except in Richardson v. Ramirez, the SCOTUS found that the RIGHT to vote could be taken away by states on the basis of "rebellion or other crime". Virginia and Kentucky are the only states that have lifelong denial for felons.

We do agree on something. It's both parties' problem.

Sooooo, you are in favor of a national id?

but how is requiring ID different for the state and the feds?

i don't understand how that is apples to oranges... changing the address you apply to should not matter, should it?

i mean, if it is a federal id, you don't have to have one, but expect serious inconvenience if you don't.

There should be a requirement to prove citizenship to vote, that is really not arguable.

What IS arguable is whether than ID requirement should be available for free. Right now State ID's cost less than $10 in 22 states (and keep in mind they are generally good for at least 4-5 years.), $10-$25 in 25 states. and $25-$35 in 3 states.... (Oregon, Nebraska and Wisconsin)
Now if $2-$4 a year is too much OK... I am fine with subsidizing State ID's and making them free, most people would use DL's and the cost of the ID's is minimal, especially when you consider the long term savings realized by solving the other problems.

BUT it is FUNNY how the 2nd ammendment says that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed... but where are all of you dems on this?? Why should we have to pay for license to carry and pay to register firearms... we are discriminating against the poor here as well... This process depending on what state you live in (if you can own one at all) can cost into the 100's of $, so if $10 is too much for ID to vote, how is this ok?? Oh and by the way I am consistent, this is a right of US citizens, so and ID should be necessary here is well...

That's life.

It's a lot more inconvenient for some of the people that work in our warehouse to get to work. They don't live near by, they don't have a car. So they have to take three different buses to get here and it takes them an hour and a half. They have to leave for work before their kids have to leave for school. They get home three hours after their kids, and can't afford day care.

Some times your position in life makes things more difficult for you. All these people that can't get their free ID once a decade also have a harder time going to the grocery store, or the doctor, or....anywhere for anything. This is the case whether you're very poor or if you're 95 years old and rich...black or white.

Love you guys, but I gotta get some work done or I'll be one of the poor people that can't get my new free ID card. Later.