The Blue Board

This is America, if you can't speak American then you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

i am mereley pointing out the hypocrisy of propping up one position while fighting another... if everyone should be required to have ID in order to have their rights, than why do the republicans fight the national ID so hard?

and just so you know, i am not politically affiliated. i hate all the parties with a passion. They do a poor job, at best, in running this country, or doing what is right, or even BEST for this country.

but, the puppet show is on at all times. SO, the republicans and the more heavy right wingers oppose the hell out of the national ID because it does not suit their politcal goal at any point. WHEN it does, they will be all for it. This is the essence of situiational ethics. It is silly and disturbing.

State ID, by the way, may as well just be federal ID now, anyways, since the social security number is basically tracked across all 50 states through the NCIC, and the tracking of socials is so easy now... SO WHY THE HESITATION? why the sense of Armageddon when that is brought up?

I believe it is only because it serves no political goal of the repubs at this point... if they need to, though... if they need to rile up the fear of the decimation of our nation through illegal immigration (another ploy to use fear to motivate), they will do it under the guise of illegals stealing elections... ha ha ha...

In all honesty, i think maybe we should only have spanish speakers vote... if you speak english, that should disqualify you from voting... that way they would be immune to the bullshit the politicians spew all election year and we could get back to voting on better things, like who looks more qualified...

they are all the same lump of shit eventually.

English.

Nor Laredo, Tx.

It was an opinion. I was just pointing out that there is already an inherent cost in purchasing a weapon. On the burden, I think because the history discrimination exists for voting and not for guns. Do I think it's right? No. I'd like to see the coexistence of gun ownership and gun control that can legally work. Not every person is lock-step with one platform. We are talking about law and legal history. That is what the DOJ is arguing. ITT, we're arguing something entirely different.

. Bottom line is that if someone is here ILLEGALLY, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. ID's are a great idea to make sure the people voting are who they say they are. If someone isn't doing anything wrong, then this shouldn't be a problem for them.

no, in essence the topic is about requiring people to have ID to vote.

it is, in essence, a fear tactic sub-plot type manipulation by the republicans to stir up their voting base. They are basically saying that mexican illegals are going to subvert the whole election process.... yes, it makes them look like heros for cramming their acceptible terms of larger goverment down everyone's neck, making them look like they saved us from the "enemy" while also riling up the repubs to get them all out to vote...

the repubs argument to the national id is that the big brother govermnet is gonna use it to track them and maybe put a chip in them and maybe trick them into getting the mark of the beast (this is outright hyperbole on my part, but you get my point.)

but yeah, sure it is always hypocrisy when the parties decide to do something, and generally, it is in the best interests of the party to move their puppets in some manner, generally done through fear. the parties are using fear as a string to basically pull each puppet into some sort of action... just look at the ads, and the campaigns! if you paraphrase, every ad is this: If you let (insert politician here) into the white house, the world will end.

i only mention hypocrisy from the right wingers in this case since they are so deadset against forcing them to have id, so against the government controlling them, forcing them to register and etc... so this time it is on them. Hell, if the Dems bring back the national ID thing again, for some political gain they have in mind, OF COURSE it will be COMPLETE hypocrisy... but it will be a means to an end for them, so they will do it.

i think you are starting to see what i mean, though... and yes, hypocrisy abounds at every turn

There are 29 states with "Stop and Identify" statutes, the most notable being Nevada. There is a list on the wikipedia article, but you never know when that will be edited.

It does list Georgia as having this law as part of a loitering statute. However, the law gets very fuzzy very quick. That law technically only applies if you're loitering, which is a subjective activity to begin with. On top of that, if a cop asks you for ID and you don't provide it, he could make the case that you're obstructing a peace officer in the line of duty, though that may not hold up for very long.

Further, if you're on private property, such as a school campus, a library, etc., you can be required to show identification that you have a right to use that facility.

So, it I am required to have a license anyway to avoid loitering charge, why not go ahead and show it to the polling place? They have already deemed it "not an inconvenience" to get an ID in many states.

well, the voting rights act is around to get rid of hurdles to voting.

the idenitification of a voter is supposed to be taken care of with the registration of that voter.

that voter can then vote once. i really haven't even heard of a ton of voter fraud... like a ton of people showing up to vote that have already voted because someone voted for them, or anything, but in reality, this is more about mobilizing republican voters through the fear of our elections being subverted by this large network of illegals wanting to vote a mexican in... or something to that effect, just stated differently

Voter fraud is a big problem?

Yes.

No. It's not.

Yes it is, as long as illegal aliens are allowed to remain.