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Details emerge on Slive's proposed oversigning legislation

  • * Limiting the size of a football signing class in each academic year to 25, down from the current level of 28.

    * Making football signees who attend summer school on athletic aid before the fall semester count against a school's scholarship numbers for that next academic year.

    * Giving the SEC office more oversight in medical scholarship exemptions to review and determine outcome for cases. A team doctor, trainer and athletic director would need to sign off on each case.

    * Keeping early enrollees from signing an SEC financial aid agreement until they are enrolled and attend class at the school. Currently, recruits can begin to sign a financial aid agreement after their junior year of high school, which keeps other SEC schools from recruiting them.

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  • This seems like bullshit considering the NCAA signs off on medical hardships...and your link is non-existent.

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  • phoenixtidegrad said...

    This seems like bullshit considering the NCAA signs off on medical hardships...and your link is non-existent.

    It works when you click on it.

    http://staugustine.com/sports/2011-05-24/oversigning-secs-football-priority

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  • Okay, that still doesn't change the fact that this is coming from the Athens Banner-Herald which I've never heard of, and one of the key points of the "legislation" is completely unnecessary and one check of the NCAA rule book would tell you that.

    It doesn't matter anyway. This will fail.

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  • Proposal No. 2 will never fly considering most schools bring in their entire class for either Summer I or Summer II.

    This post was edited by JC Shurburtt on 5/25/2011 at 8:35 AM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Proposal No. 2 will never fly considering most schools bring in their entire class for either Summer I or Summer II.

    I didn't even notice that JC. It sounds like this proposed legislation is what the writer wants to see.

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  • Maybe my coffee has already worn off but.... why won't #2 pass?

    The NEXT academic year. A kid comes in June 2011, he counts towards the 2011-2012 season scholarship count. That's how it is anyway.

    That "rule" wouldn't change anything as far as I can tell, either. So I must be interpreting it wrong. Or just missing something all together.

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  • FormEERly1984 said...

    Maybe my coffee has already worn off but.... why won't #2 pass?

    The NEXT academic year. A kid comes in June 2011, he counts towards the 2011-2012 season scholarship count. That's how it is anyway.

    That "rule" wouldn't change anything as far as I can tell, either. So I must be interpreting it wrong. Or just missing something all together.

    The rule makes no sense. They already count against scholarship numbers. You can't have more than 85 when the fall begins.

    This post was edited by phoenixtidegrad on 5/25/2011 at 8:52 AM

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  • phoenixtidegrad said...

    The rule makes no sense. They already count against scholarship numbers. You can't have more than 85 when the fall begins.

    Yea, that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure I follow the point of it. Kids who come in during the summer already count towards that fall's scholarship numbers.

    So if it is already happening like you and I assume it is....

    1) Why would it be part of legislation to be instituted?

    2) JC, why are you saying it would never fly?

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  • phoenixtidegrad said...

    The rule makes no sense. They already count against scholarship numbers. You can't have more than 85 when the fall begins.

    You are right. I guess it means that you can't bring a kid in, let him go through summer and workout on aid and then tell him you don't have room for him in the fall and he greyshirts. That's happened before I think, but very rarely and in the cases I am most familiar with, it's been because the player blew out his knee or something during the summer and they end up giving the scholarship to a walk-on during the season.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You are right. I guess it means that you can't bring a kid in, let him go through summer and workout on aid and then tell him you don't have room for him in the fall and he greyshirts. That's happened before I think, but very rarely and in the cases I am most familiar with, it's been because the player blew out his knee or something during the summer and they end up giving the scholarship to a walk-on during the season.

    I don't know of a single incident where that's happened at Bama. The only time I can remember that happening is Elliott Porter.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You are right. I guess it means that you can't bring a kid in, let him go through summer and workout on aid and then tell him you don't have room for him in the fall and he greyshirts. That's happened before I think, but very rarely and in the cases I am most familiar with, it's been because the player blew out his knee or something during the summer and they end up giving the scholarship to a walk-on during the season.

    I thought it was addressing "back counting" a kid to the previous class. Not sure though.

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  • Also, a corretion:

    These proposals are coming from the ADs, not Slive. Although, Slive does support them.

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  • devidee said...

    I thought it was addressing "back counting" a kid to the previous class. Not sure though.

    The kids that count back are the ones that enroll for spring. I've never heard of a summer school enrollee counting back to the previous class. Either way, proposal No. 2 is vague and probably needs to be explained.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    The kids that count back are the ones that enroll for spring. I've never heard of a summer school enrollee counting back to the previous class. Either way, proposal No. 2 is vague and probably needs to be explained.

    According to the article...

    There currently are no limits on how many can attend summer school, which can leave a recruit already on campus to be asked to delay enrollment until January if there's no room. The proposal would go into effect in summer 2012.

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  • Like I've been saying all along, nothing will come of this.

    They might drop the number down to 25, but you can't stop schools from using medical redshirts and grey shirting. It's within the NCAA rules.

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  • devidee said...

    * Limiting the size of a football signing class in each academic year to 25, down from the current level of 28.

    * Making football signees who attend summer school on athletic aid before the fall semester count against a school's scholarship numbers for that next academic year.

    * Giving the SEC office more oversight in medical scholarship exemptions to review and determine outcome for cases. A team doctor, trainer and athletic director would need to sign off on each case.

    * Keeping early enrollees from signing an SEC financial aid agreement until they are enrolled and attend class at the school. Currently, recruits can begin to sign a financial aid agreement after their junior year of high school, which keeps other SEC schools from recruiting them.

    Here we go again...

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  • CrimsonJunkie said...

    Like I've been saying all along, nothing will come of this.

    They might drop the number down to 25, but you can't stop schools from using medical redshirts and grey shirting. It's within the NCAA rules.

    Conference rules would supersede the NCAA. That is, a conference can't let programs do things the NCAA says is wrong. However, they can tell programs not to do things that the NCAA currently allows.

    The Big 10 banned oversigning in the '50s. They relaxed the rule in 2002 to let programs oversign by 3. Though, if they do it they have to submit a detailed report to the Big Ten office on why and the Big Ten office has to approve it.

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  • devidee said...

    According to the article...

    There currently are no limits on how many can attend summer school, which can leave a recruit already on campus to be asked to delay enrollment until January if there's no room. The proposal would go into effect in summer 2012.

    So they would change a rule based on one incident.

    Again, this all sounds very implausible.

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  • If this legislation passes are you going to cancel your account here, devidee? You'd have to find a whole new purpose in life.

    tidesmiles

  • devidee said...

    Conference rules would supersede the NCAA. That is, a conference can't let programs do things the NCAA says is wrong. However, they can tell programs not to do things that the NCAA currently allows.

    The Big 10 banned oversigning in the '50s. They relaxed the rule in 2002 to let programs oversign by 3. Though, if they do it they have to submit a detailed report to the Big Ten office on why and the Big Ten office has to approve it.

    I know how the process works, but Slive is not in the business of holding the conference back, and niether are the coaches.

    They are not going to pass legislation that would impede on the SEC's current dominance of college football.

    This post was edited by CrimsonJunkie on 5/25/2011 at 10:12 AM

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  • CrimsonJunkie said...

    I know how the process works, but Slive is not in the business of holding the conference back, and niether are the coaches.

    They are not going to pass legislation that would impede on the SEC's current dominance of college football.

    Five programs are on board. They just need two more for it to pass.

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  • Every single day you feel the need to start a topic on this sh*t.

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  • devidee said...

    Five programs are on board. They just need two more for it to pass.

    I guarantee there are not 5 programs that support everything from your OP. 5 that support bits and pieces? Sure, but not all of them.

    And as has been said, #2 doesn't even make sense.

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  • tidesmiles said...

    If this legislation passes are you going to cancel your account here, devidee? You'd have to find a whole new purpose in life.

    This^^^

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