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  • robert1975 said...

    Dude, we didn't do all the bombing, but we were the only intact major industrial base left after ww2. Nobody can argue that point.

    Actually the modernization of industry in our allied trading partners in Europe and Asia hurt us in the long-term, but no please go on.

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  • robert1975 said...

    Well we can start with the price controls, Then go on to how our Government would limit the amount of crop the farmers could grow to artificially keep the price of food high, when the country was starving and cheap food without the price controls would have helped people.

    Go on...

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Actually the modernization of industry in our allied trading partners in Europe and Asia hurt us in the long-term, but no please go on.

    Yes it did hurt us long term, I never said it didnt. But your turn, what great economic policies by FDR helped us get out of the Great Depression?

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  • Lesticals said...

    One of you has an Econ. Major and the other just took 1 Econ. class.

    So I can claim I work with economists then? biggrin

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  • robert1975 said...

    Dude, we didn't do all the bombing, but we were the only intact major industrial base left after ww2. Nobody can argue that point.

    Most economic indicators were going upward before 1939, so its a bit ridiculous to say that WWII was the sole reason that the economy got better, of course it played a primary role.

    Your opinion that Roosevelt's policies made the Depression worse, is a minority opinion among economists and peer-reviewed research, so your "background" doesn't make your opinion irrefutable fact.

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  • robert1975 said...

    Yes it did hurt us long term, I never said it didnt. But your turn, what great economic policies by FDR helped us get out of the Great Depression?

    Your assertion was FDR's policies kept the US in a depression. Please explain what policies exacerbated the economy as a whole and their effect on the timeline of the Depression.

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  • rms02d said...

    Most economic indicators were going upward before 1939, so its a bit ridiculous to say that WWII was the sole reason that the economy got better, of course it played a primary role.

    Your opinion that Roosevelt's policies made the Depression worse, is a minority opinion among economists and peer-reviewed research, so your "background" doesn't make your opinion irrefutable fact.

    We started opening Weapons factories in 1938 to help the British. WWII was the key to climbing out of the Depression.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Your assertion was FDR's policies kept the US in a depression. Please explain what policies exacerbated the economy as a whole and their effect on the timeline of the Depression.

    Well I just named the price control issue off the top of my head, and since you have nothing to contribute as FDR policies that helped to get us out of the Depression. Well I have no desire to just teach you about the entire Great Depression tonight. I got better things to do. But thanks for your contributions to the discussion which amounted to "no" but I have nothing to say as to why I believe that to be true.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    We started opening Weapons factories in 1938 to help the British. WWII was the key to climbing out of the Depression.

    The fourth New Deal was about defense spending. It was the tail end of all the policies initiated since 1933. It wasn't the beginning point.

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  • robert1975 said...

    Well I just named the price control issue off the top of my head, and since you have nothing to contribute as FDR policies that helped to get us out of the Depression. Well I have no desire to just teach you about the entire Great Depression tonight. I got better things to do. But thanks for your contributions to the discussion which amounted to "no" but I have nothing to say as to why I believe that to be true.

    Lol. Alright bud. I'm glad you graced us with your presence to spout off economic policies you philosophically disagree with and then bounce when you know you can't back up your assertions. Maybe next time you should just keep quiet.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The fourth New Deal was about defense spending. It was the tail end of all the policies initiated since 1933. It wasn't the beginning point.

    We started seriously exporting weapons to Western Europe in 1938. That's when our economy evened out.

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  • robert1975 said...

    Well I just named the price control issue off the top of my head, and since you have nothing to contribute as FDR policies that helped to get us out of the Depression. Well I have no desire to just teach you about the entire Great Depression tonight. I got better things to do. But thanks for your contributions to the discussion which amounted to "no" but I have nothing to say as to why I believe that to be true.

    Ah, the good old cop-out.

    Seriously, if you're so sure you're right, it shouldn't be at all difficult to point to legitimate sources and explain why you're correct. Seriously, if you can't defend your view, it's pretty pathetic to even assert it in the first place, and especially for someone with a supposed Econ background.

    How about this: I switched out of my Econ major after my freshman year, so we'll just assume that you've had more Econ experience than me, but that I understand the basic terms. Explain your theory to me - that's not too much to ask, is it?

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  • CMXI said...

    Ah, the good old cop-out.

    Seriously, if you're so sure you're right, it shouldn't be at all difficult to point to legitimate sources and explain why you're correct. Seriously, if you can't defend your view, it's pretty pathetic to even assert it in the first place, and especially for someone with a supposed Econ background.

    How about this: I switched out of my Econ major after my freshman year, so we'll just assume that you've had more Econ experience than me, but that I understand the basic terms. Explain your theory to me - that's not too much to ask, is it?

    still haven't heard a counter argument to my first point, why would I spend all night doing a thesis on this stuff if none of you "economists" have anything of value to contribute.

    This post was edited by robert1975 on 2/20/2013 at 9:15 PM

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    We started seriously exporting weapons to Western Europe in 1938. That's when our economy evened out.

    No it wasn't. If it wasn't for the 1937-38 recession, the economy would have reached back into positive territory earlier.

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  • robert1975 said...

    still haven't heard a counter argument to my first point, why would I spend all night doing a thesis on this stuff if none of you "economists" have anything of value to contribute.

    facepalm_msu

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  • robert1975 said...

    still haven't heard a counter argument to my first point, why would I spend all night doing a thesis on this stuff if none of you "economists" have anything of value to contribute.

    I love how you just edited this post to conveniently remove your idiotic assertion that the passing of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act caused the Great Depression.

    explode

    Black Tuesday happened 8 months before the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. How could the passage of that Act have possibly started the recession which caused the Great Depression?

    EDIT: Oh, and clearly you've got time to keep explaining why you refuse to post anything legitimate, so why not use that time to explain your position?

    This post was edited by CMXI on 2/20/2013 at 9:22 PM

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  • robert1975 said...

    Well I just named the price control issue off the top of my head, and since you have nothing to contribute as FDR policies that helped to get us out of the Depression. Well I have no desire to just teach you about the entire Great Depression tonight. I got better things to do. But thanks for your contributions to the discussion which amounted to "no" but I have nothing to say as to why I believe that to be true.

    Price controls in Agriculture didn't starve people.

    Price controls aren't a bad thing when thousands of share-croppers and tenant farmers are growing cotton and corn without coordination. Which is what the US was doing from the Civil War up to 1930. Its not like every Farmer could go online and purchase a Futures contract to lock in prices on their crops.

    Part of the collapse in agriculture prices in the early 30's was due to overproduction because of a lack of coordination between farmers. Hence the Agricultural Adjustment Act.

    Those price controls did help to increase the wealth of the farming community too. Not sure how that is a bad thing.

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  • We did get deficit hawkish around 37 and that set us back into recession.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    We started seriously exporting weapons to Western Europe in 1938. That's when our economy evened out.

    Lend-lease act was in 1941. Your skewing dates.

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  • rms02d said...

    Your skewing dates.

    You're pancake

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  • CMXI said...

    I love how you just edited this post to conveniently remove your idiotic assertion that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act caused the Great Depression.

    explode

    Black Tuesday happened 8 months before the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. How could the passage of that Act have possibly started the recession which caused the Great Depression?

    Oh lol, I was wondering where that got deleted I must have hit the wrong key in my frustration with someone who has nothing of value to add, thanks for mentioning it for me.

    The Smoot Tariff Act and starting a world wide trade war helped to turn a recession into a depression, so when FDR took over instead of having him and the new democratic congress repeal it, we instead of tried to do other policies that didn't work. Instead of letting the monetary deflate and let prices adjust to the new money base, we pursed price controls and other monetary polices to try and inflate the money supply that didnt work. Japan did the same thing in the 90s and went through a decade of no growth.

    To be honest the only policy of the New Deal that I liked was the FDIC insurance for banks.

    Really come one, what policies did FDR do that were so wonderful. I just know some of you guys can contribute something meaningful to the discussion.

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  • rms02d said...

    Price controls in Agriculture didn't starve people.

    Price controls aren't a bad thing when thousands of share-croppers and tenant farmers are growing cotton and corn without coordination. Which is what the US was doing from the Civil War up to 1930. Its not like every Farmer could go online and purchase a Futures contract to lock in prices on their crops.

    Part of the collapse in agriculture prices in the early 30's was due to overproduction because of a lack of coordination between farmers. Hence the Agricultural Adjustment Act.

    Those price controls did help to increase the wealth of the farming community too. Not sure how that is a bad thing.

    Paying farmers to burn and not grow crops just to keep the price of a product high is insane, and that is what we were doing.

    When there is overproduction and the price of a product gets to low, then the inefficient producers will get out of the business and do something else and the lower production will help the economy. Just paying people to not grow crops doesn't reallocate the economy's resources to more effient uses.

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    robert1975

  • robert1975 said...

    Oh lol, I was wondering where that got deleted I must have hit the wrong key in my frustration with someone who has nothing of value to add, thanks for mentioning it for me.

    The Smoot Tariff Act and starting a world wide trade war helped to turn a recession into a depression, so when FDR took over instead of having him and the new democratic congress repeal it, we instead of tried to do other policies that didn't work. Instead of letting the monetary deflate and let prices adjust to the new money base, we pursed price controls and other monetary polices to try and inflate the money supply that didnt work. Japan did the same thing in the 90s and went through a decade of no growth.

    To be honest the only policy of the New Deal that I liked was the FDIC insurance for banks.

    Really come one, what policies did FDR do that were so wonderful. I just know some of you guys can contribute something meaningful to the discussion.

    Hmmm....leaves out policies that constricted monetary supplies and their effects in 1930 and 1937.....leaves in random policies that had little marcoeffect...facepalm_msu

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  • robert1975 said...

    Oh lol, I was wondering where that got deleted I must have hit the wrong key in my frustration with someone who has nothing of value to add, thanks for mentioning it for me.

    The Smoot Tariff Act and starting a world wide trade war helped to turn a recession into a depression, so when FDR took over instead of having him and the new democratic congress repeal it, we instead of tried to do other policies that didn't work. Instead of letting the monetary deflate and let prices adjust to the new money base, we pursed price controls and other monetary polices to try and inflate the money supply that didnt work. Japan did the same thing in the 90s and went through a decade of no growth.

    To be honest the only policy of the New Deal that I liked was the FDIC insurance for banks.

    Really come one, what policies did FDR do that were so wonderful. I just know some of you guys can contribute something meaningful to the discussion.

    Do you support the regulation of securities that took place shortly after the crash? (you can agree with them philosophically, without agreeing with every aspect of their substance or implementation).

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