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Dream Team fanboys get ITT

  • gobigblue21 said...

    Solid defender? The guy will win multiple defensive player of the year awards, mark it down. You can't teach the instincts and the length that this kid possesses. He will get bodied a bit in his first few years but so did Dwight. The most important thing is that he has the frame to put on much more weight. His upside is huge offensively and at worst he'll be an all-NBA defender.

    But in this conversation, you're right he's got no business with these guys right now.

    Just because he's a good blocker doesn't neccessarily mean he plays good defense.

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Just because he's a good blocker doesn't neccessarily mean he plays good defense.

    In todays NBA it does sadly

    Just like good dunker = all star

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  • joetheogre said...

    My point exactly. Bird and Magic were done.

    Lack of respect for sports knowledge or any kind of knowledge is to be expected. The older generation always dismisses the younger generation. Baby boomers made fun of Gen X, Gen X makes fun of millenials, Millenials will make fun of whoever comes next.

    Fact is players today are bigger, faster, and stronger than they ever have been.

    You should really look at the rosters between the two teams. The 92 team was MUCH bigger...and much more well balanced.

    Go ahead and compare the two rosters. I double dog dare you.

    The 2012 team has mediocre depth, especially at point guard and the center is TYSON CHANDLER???? (The only center, I might add.)

    You dont seem to care how stupid you sound when you make posts like you did. Not a speck of actual information....just spouting off and hoping that bluster will make up for lack of education. No wonder the younger generation is not respected much in terms of sports knowledge.

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  • joetheogre said...

    -Most of the players on the current team will be hall of famers. -Howard is a top ten Center of all time. He is 26, but his career will bear that out. -No one would obliterate this team. If the dream team won it would be by <15

    Really....so lets look at the roster of the 2012 team.

    Tyson Chandler will be in the hall of fame? NO
    Kevin Love will be in the hall of fame? NO
    Russell Westbrook will be in the hall of fame? NO
    James Harden will be in the hall of fame? NO
    Deron Williams will be in the hall of fame? NO
    Anthony Davis will be in the hall of fame? NO

    Chris Paul is not a hall of famer right now either. He has great talent, but his career has already been marred with a lot of injuries.

    Thats more than half the team right there..........how exactly do you define "most" in your new arithmetic?

    AlwaysMore

  • joetheogre said...

    -They certainly would be all stars, so we agree there

    -Howard will be top ten. I would take him over 92 Ewing or Robinson. Neither of them had done anything in their careers up to that point either; at least Howard has been to a finals and has 3 DPOTY awards.

    - They may win in the post because of overall depth, but the 2012 team would be better in other areas (atheticism, shooting) that are more conducive to winning in international competition.

    Taking a limited player like Dwight Howard, whose game has not improved one bit since he got into the league, and who has still been unwilling and unable to build any sort of offensive game to go with all that talent, is just laughable.

    And not to break it to you, but Dwight Howard is NOT ON THIS OLYMPIC TEAM. Why are you bringing him up?

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  • ITT: The younger posters show their ignorance, and don't acknowledge that more defense was played in the (more physical) NBA of the early 1990s.

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  • ScoutExile said...

    ITT: The younger posters show their ignorance, and don't acknowledge that more defense was played in the (more physical) NBA of the early 1990s.

    Not only that but post players had back to the basket skills

    I see none of that on this team

    And i know Dwight has zero game pretty much when it comes to jump hooks and inside or back to the basket moves

    That part of his game blows

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  • joetheogre said...

    -Howard will be top ten. I would take him over 92 Ewing or Robinson. Neither of them had done anything in their careers up to that point either; at least Howard has been to a finals and has 3 DPOTY awards.

    WHAT?

    Howard in 2011-2012 (8th year in NBA) - 20.6 PPG, 14.5 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.5 SPG, 2.2 BPG

    Ewing in 1991-1992 (7th year in NBA) - 24.0 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.1 SPG, 3.0 BPG

    Robinson in 1991-1992 (3rd year in NBA) - 23.2 PPG, 12.2 RPG, 2.7 APG, 2.3 SPG, 4.5 BPG

    Based on numbers alone, I think it's obvious Robinson had the most impressive "Olympic year" season, with Ewing and Howard close for second.

    However, tell me what elite post players DH has to play against?

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  • ScoutExile said...

    ITT: The younger posters show their ignorance, and don't acknowledge that more defense was played in the (more physical) NBA of the early 1990s.

    Don't group us all in together. I'm only 21, but I've watched enough old-school NBA to appreciate the distinct difference between the game then and now.

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  • mizAU said...

    Don't group us all in together. I'm only 21, but I've watched enough old-school NBA to appreciate the distinct difference between the game then and now.

    It is different. Now if you can jump high you have a spot in the NBA. You had to be fundamentally sound to make it when the NBA was at its peak. Defense was too good to rely on athleticism alone.

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  • mizAU said...

    Don't group us all in together. I'm only 21, but I've watched enough old-school NBA to appreciate the distinct difference between the game then and now.

    Its hard not too, and no offense to you but unless you saw it live you really can't understand

    But kudos to you for not being totally blind

    The NBA has gone on strike twice in less than 15 years, the league is a nightmare and Stern running the show is killing it more and more each year

    Over/under.... How long till the next strike ? Im going 5 years tops

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  • LSU-NoVa said...

    Its hard not too, and no offense to you but unless you saw it live you really can't understand

    But kudos to you for not being totally blind

    The NBA has gone on strike twice in less than 15 years, the league is a nightmare and Stern running the show is killing it more and more each year

    Over/under.... How long till the next strike ? Im going 5 years tops

    Oh I understand. Music and sports are two things that make me wish I was born a decade or two earlier. Luckily for me, my older brother was a HUGE sports fan growing up and he used to tape all of the big-time games in the major sports, so once I was old enough to appreciate sports, he told me I couldn't watch (then) current sports until I watched his tapes. I may possibly still have some.

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  • LSU-NoVa said...

    Its hard not too, and no offense to you but unless you saw it live you really can't understand

    But kudos to you for not being totally blind

    The NBA has gone on strike twice in less than 15 years, the league is a nightmare and Stern running the show is killing it more and more each year

    Over/under.... How long till the next strike ? Im going 5 years tops

    Part of what has been ruined as well is the physicality of the game. Games in the 80's and 90's were heavyweight fights, literally. Now you can't touch anybody without a foul called and bitching and complaining from all sides.

    I will say this, guys like Anthony Mason, Oakley, Laimbeer, Rodman. They might not make it in today's NBA because they were bullies. All good teams had hit men. Dale Davis. There were a lot of those guys in the league back then.

    Big A

  • Big A said...

    Part of what has been ruined as well is the physicality of the game. Games in the 80's and 90's were heavyweight fights, literally. Now you can't touch anybody without a foul called and bitching and complaining from all sides.

    I will say this, guys like Anthony Mason, Oakley, Laimbeer, Rodman. They might not make it in today's NBA because they were bullies. All good teams had hit men. Dale Davis. There were a lot of those guys in the league back then.

    Yup

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Just because he's a good blocker doesn't neccessarily mean he plays good defense.

    This is true. But if he's an elite, game changing shot blocker then that does mean he plays good defense. He's gonna have to develop an NBA body obviously but this kid will be an All-NBA defender.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Now if you can jump high you have a spot in the NBA.

    Gerald Green disagrees with you.

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    Gerald Green disagrees with you.

    Gerald Green recently signed a 3-year, $3.5 million/year contract with Indiana.

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  • mizAU said...

    Gerald Green recently signed a 3-year, $3.5 million/year contract with Indiana.

    After spending about 7 years bouncing around the league because he relied solely on his athleticism while making boneheaded offensive plays and playing no defense. He broke out with the Nets last season when he decided to stop doing both of those things. And he's still just a role player at best.

    This post was edited by mac1992 on 8/3/2012 at 2:06 PM

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  • gobigblue21 said...

    After spending about 7 years bouncing around the league because he relied solely on his athleticism while making boneheaded offensive plays and playing no defense. He broke out with the Nets last season when he decided to stop doing both of those things. And he's still just a role player at best.

    But he's still got a spot in the NBA, which is what Mountie said.

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  • mizAU said...

    But he's still got a spot in the NBA, which is what Mountie said.

    Of course he does. He can jump high and do fancy dunks. That is what the league is.

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  • If you really consider the 12th man on 5 teams in 6 years with stints in the D league, China and Russia then sure but I don't think that's what he was trying to say. When all he could do was dunk, he couldn't play in the NBA. You can't name one player that sees any significant time on the floor, even as a role player, that can only jump.

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  • mizAU said...

    But he's still got a spot in the NBA, which is what Mountie said.

    If you really consider the 12th man on 5 teams in 6 years with stints in the D league, China and Russia then sure but I don't think that's what he was trying to say. When all he could do was dunk, he couldn't play in the NBA. You can't name one player that sees any significant time on the floor, even as a role player, that can only jump.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Of course he does. He can jump high and do fancy dunks. That is what the league is.

    Wrong. The league is about superstar players as it has always been. You don't think MJ got every call he wanted? Like he didn't get special treatment? The game was definitely more physical back then no doubt about it. And it made for a better game. They really let guys bang around. In today's NBA most refs will nip that in the bud because it leads to some ugly incidents and since the brawl in Detroit the league really can't afford that.

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  • The Dream Team would make this team look like this team made Nigeria look.

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    I was like 8 when the Dream Team played but I don't think the current team would blow them out. I think the Dream Team would probably split with the current roster. People get hung up on names and unrealistic memories where legends out grow the reality of the player. The reason why you don't see guys like Byrd or Barkley is because a slow moving white guy can't create his own shot and a 6'6 glorified center would get owned in today's game. I realize these guys were great for their time but you have to also be realistic.

    Who was LeBron back in '92? Who was a guy like Dwight Howard? These are physical freaks that would own the game more than Jordan. The Dream Team faced like what, a total of 5 other NBA players in '92? You can find that on Team Argentina. It's just a different game now with it being so much more well known.

    I respect the '92 team. Nobody will accomplish what they did.

    Lebron? Magic Johnson or Scottie Pippen who was a great Point-Forward in his own right.

    Dwight Howard? The Admiral. Shaq should have been on this team.

    A white guy that couldn't create his own shot? First you're an idiot as Bird could do what he wanted when he wanted. Secondly, what do you think Ray Allen and Reggie Miller have been their entire career?

    A 6'6 glorified center would get owned? Yea thats why Dejuan Blair made the All-Star team in 2011. And besides if you knew anything about anything Barkley never played Center. He was a Power Forward. He basically was Carmelo Anthony before Carmelo existed.

    You sir are an ignoramus.

    This post was edited by Bama9209 on 8/3/2012 at 3:30 PM

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