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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    It doesn't change the fact that CA produces substantially more NFL talent than GA, hence they should have substantially more kids than GA on this list. These rankings aren't per capita, they are who are the best prospects overall.

    Let's say the average percentage of a population that is a varsity athlete is one percent of a state's population. For California that would roughly be sample of 397,000 and for Georgia 98,000.

    So for California that would be 211/397,000 and for Georgia 80/97,000 or 1 per 1882 for California and 1 per 1,225.

    Now this a very rough calculation but it puts those numbers into a real perspective. Not just throwing out the fact that California produces a larger real number of talent.

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  • Am sorry but recruiting rankings don't mean jack to me..give me a good 3* athlete with alot of heart. I look at this top 150. Top 250 and you know the difference from the 11th receiver and 39th is what .03 40 time. Or playing in Florida vs playing in Maryland or Michigan give me a break. How many top 100 guys end up bust. Then some 3* QB or wide out becomes Torrey Smith or Colt McCoy.

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  • TerpsSoccer said...

    Am sorry but recruiting rankings don't mean jack to me..give me a good 3* athlete with alot of heart. I look at this top 150. Top 250 and you know the difference from the 11th receiver and 39th is what .03 40 time. Or playing in Florida vs playing in Maryland or Michigan give me a break. How many top 100 guys end up bust. Then some 3* QB or wide out becomes Torrey Smith or Colt McCoy.

    Who has had the best recruiting classes the past few years?
    Who has won 2 NC's in the last 3 years?

    The answer to both is Bama, recruiting matters.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Let's say the average percentage of a population that is a varsity athlete is one percent of a state's population. For California that would roughly be sample of 397,000 and for Georgia 98,000.

    So for California that would be 211/397,000 and for Georgia 80/97,000 or 1 per 1882 for California and 1 per 1,225.

    Now this a very rough calculation but it puts those numbers into a real perspective. Not just throwing out the fact that California produces a larger real number of talent.

    That's a great analysis...of a completely irrelevant point.

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Isn't the list of HS talent, not NFL talent.... and who really cares if there is more from one state.... really silly argument.... it is all opinion based anyway... just a guess of who is better...

    In theory, this list should turn into NFL prospects. It's not like anyone is getting worked up about it bud, but if you can find a better place to discuss recruiting rankings than this website I'm all ears. I didn't know I wasn't on a recruiting website.

    Alonzo Harris

  • stoptothink said...

    That's a great analysis...of a completely irrelevant point.

    Exactly, I don't see how per capita applies to a national top prospect list.

    GA produces per capita more talent than CA. That doesn't mean that they produce more top talent.

    Alonzo Harris

  • People are confusing themselves with the per capita analysis.

    Put it this way, if the Cali players weren't that good they wouldnt be playing on NFL rosters.

    The population differences have no bearing on how many kids make an NFL roster.

    Cali has more top talent, not because the state is larger, but because when you line a Cali player up next to the "Georgia" player, the Cali player is winning the battle on the field.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Exactly, I don't see how per capita applies to a national top prospect list.

    GA produces per capita more talent than CA. That doesn't mean that they produce more top talent.

    So we are completely ignoring the fact California has more players to do that from? Are we serious?

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  • CRgator1 said...

    People are confusing themselves with the per capita analysis.

    Put it this way, if the Cali players weren't that good they wouldnt be playing on NFL rosters.

    The population differences have no bearing on how many kids make an NFL roster.

    Cali has more top talent, not because the state is larger, but because when you line a Cali player up next to the "Georgia" player, the Cali player is winning the battle on the field.

    So we are going to excuse the fact that by having a larger set of players to take from, you are statistically more likely to have a greater set of talent?

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 4/17/2012 at 8:06 PM

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  • Lol at Tyrone Swopes being the no.1 QB...ESPN and their Texas bias..

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    So we are completely ignoring the fact California has more players to do that from? Are we serious?

    Yes it doesn't matter on a national top prospect list. They always have MORE top talent than GA, no matter how many you're pulling that top talent from.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Yes it doesn't matter on a national top prospect list. They always have MORE top talent than GA, no matter how many you're pulling that top talent from.

    Hold on. We're not talking about the NFL?

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    Lol at Tyrone Swopes being the no.1 QB...ESPN and their Texas bias..

    Theres about 3 or 4 QB's in just Texas that are better than him. No joke.

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  • MZizzle2 said...

    Who has had the best recruiting classes the past few years?
    Who has won 2 NC's in the last 3 years?

    The answer to both is Bama, recruiting matters.

    And how do u explain Florida state, Clemson,

    Or Boise state been so good,Oregon,Stanford these schools don't get top 5 classes yet are in bcs bowls alot.

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  • TerpsSoccer said...

    And how do u explain Florida state, Clemson,

    Or Boise state been so good,Oregon,Stanford these schools don't get top 5 classes yet are in bcs bowls alot.

    Boise enefits from their competition. They don't have to out recruit Bama just Hawaii and such.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Hold on. We're not talking about the NFL?

    MJ Ruffalo and I were talking about this ESPN list not having enough CA players, and used the amount of NFL players from CA as evidence.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    MJ Ruffalo and I were talking about this ESPN list not having enough CA players, and used the amount of NFL players from CA as evidence.

    Gotcha. Well then.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Gotcha. Well then.

    I kinda figured that's what was going on. Yes in regards to NFL production GA's per capita amazing.

    Alonzo Harris

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    So we are going to excuse the fact that by having a larger set of players to take from, you are statistically more likely to have a greater set of talent?

    I could be wrong, but I dont think that fits in the NFL model.

    The top 2 highschools producing NFL talent are in Ft. Lauderdale and Pittsburgh.

    Im pretty sure they arent the largest highschools in the country.

    CRgator1

  • gonoles2011 said...

    True,

    and this year's UF recruiting class still will have to compete with last year's FSU class for three years (and FSU's will always be one year bigger and stronger during that period).

    You mentoned Hoskins in my ill-fated butt-hurt meltdown thread. I love Hoskins - he already is big and fast, but looking at him, he hasn't even developed man-muscles yet. This kid in two years of college S&C will be an absolute beast. Also, Lyons already is a GAM and will be a heckuva Sam LB in Stoops' system. Both kids should be 4* on their upside potential alone.

    That real nice in theory, but we signed a great class last year too. Honestly, its Urbans 08 and 09 classes that have absolutely KILLED us.

    They were short on talent and numbers where we needed them most. Then you throw in the bad character and cancers that Muschamp had to get rid of (13 players so far. 10 four or five stars) and you see UF playing with all freshmen and sophs, and only 67 scholly players last year. Do you realize how absurd it is for any team to have that few amount of players, let alone freakin Florida.

    The good thing is we have some heavy talent from the 2010 class that is developing nicely. Also, just like the 06 and 07 classes, it only takes two great classes for a place like UF to completely reload it's roster. We have a stable staff with lights out recruiters killing the state of Florida right now. That's recipe for success with any of the big three. People are just realizing just how shitty Urban really was without his asst coaches. Story after story is out there about just how bad he left things, which is something most us UF fans already knew. Our last class, along with this one, is going to have the roster looking ridiculous, especially with what's left of the Elam, FLoyd, Easley class still around next year.

    No need for a UF or FSU fans to even concern themselves with the others class. Both will generally recruit top five classes and there is absolutely NOTHING that anyone can do about it. It's time for the state to start dominating again anyways. No reason at all that both UF and FSU shouldn't be top ten teams every single year just about. Miami is in a different situation, but they'll be there again eventually.

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  • Status said...

    Theres about 3 or 4 QB's in just Texas that are better than him. No joke.

    I believe it...

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  • CRgator1 said...

    I could be wrong, but I dont think that fits in the NFL model.

    The top 2 highschools producing NFL talent are in Ft. Lauderdale and Pittsburgh.

    Im pretty sure they arent the largest highschools in the country.

    Edit: misread

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 4/17/2012 at 8:34 PM

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  • No we are getting way to complex and talking programs versus location. You can take into account cheating/recruiting for a program but not as well for an area. Doesn't seem an accurate comparison.

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  • kitemac said...

    Post it here I would like to see his comments. Looks like this site probably has him the lowest out of any site but obviously pretty close. ESPN thinks very highly of him apparently.

    His post is VIP so I won't direct quote but he said nothing but good things about him. Makes me want him fwiw.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    So you looked at 1 video of each, and decided all of these things? Especially when you are watching a video that is 3 times the length of the other one?

    Browne is quicker in his drops, is more consistent with his throwing mechanics, and is better at progressing through reads and making decisions. He's also better at escaping the rush, re-setting and making an accurate throw.

    You're more than welcome to disagree, but I really don't think you've seen enough of both guys to make the comparison fairly.

    You don't seem to get that the reason I'm asking isn't because of what I've seen from Browne...it's what I'm not seeing. Sorry I don't have the time to go to camps to watch these kids. But from what I have - i.e. their films - I'm only seeing a limited amount of throws from Browne. Basically, he's got the ability to throw to wide open receivers and he can chuck it downfield. That's great, but there's a lot more I'd like to see from him - which is why I've been asking why he's a 5*. I'm assuming the staff here has seen more than I have.

    Disagree on the drop - they're both about the same. In fact, Browne's film at time seems choppy. Reminds me of Will Mahone's film where everyone looked incredibly fast, and it turns out it was "sped up," if you will. Hack's mechanics are fine. "Better at progressing through reads"? Because you know what reads these kids are making? If you ask me, Browne tends to hold the ball too long most of the time. USC has a good OL, but there will be plenty of times he can't hold the ball nearly that long in college. Although I'll give you he's good at escaping the rush.

    Hack shows better anticipation, better ability to throw the ball into tight windows against better competition. If you're going to make assumptions about their progressions, then I can feel free to say that Hack reads the defense better and gets the ball out quickly.

    And like I said before - it's difficult to say that Browne actually throws an accurate ball when 1) most of this throws are to WIDE open receivers, and 2) most of his throws are just tossing the ball up and letting his receiver make a play on it. Like I've said - Browne obviously has skills, but I assume that to be rated a 5* he must have shown more off film than he's shown on it.

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