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LaBornNRaised said...
I am not hating at all but Lacy is a product of the system the same way Ingram was. Nothing really special about him and it is not hard to run through holes that are 3 yards wide. Now, Yeldon is a different story and I expect him to probably win the Heisman at some point during his career because of his talent not because of the system.
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LaBornNRaised said...
It means if he didn't play at Bama there was no way in hell he would have won the Heisman.
You are an idiot if you think he was better than Montee Ball, Felix Jones, Cadillac Williams and etc who never won Heismans but were better pure college RBs than Ingram.
The f'ING Homerism is out of control. Way to only pick one part of my post also. This has nothing to do with his time in N.O. either. GTFO
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LaBornNRaised said...
It means if he didn't play at Bama there was no way in hell he would have won the Heisman.
You are an idiot if you think he was better than Montee Ball, Felix Jones, Cadillac Williams and etc who never won Heismans but were better pure college RBs than Ingram.
The f'ING Homerism is out of control. Way to only pick one part of my post also. This has nothing to do with his time in N.O. either. GTFO
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LaBornNRaised said...
You might be the dumbest poster on tBB Congrats. Are u seriously saying Mark Ingram Is comparable to Reggie Bush in college.
Let's see Bush was the most electrifying player in all college catching, running, returning kicks and flat out be being better than anyone else on the field.
Mark Ingram ran between the tackles in lanes 4 yards wide. Yea no difference. [dummy]
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LaBornNRaised said...
You might be the dumbest poster on tBB Congrats. Are u seriously saying Mark Ingram Is comparable to Reggie Bush in college.
Let's see Bush was the most electrifying player in all college catching, running, returning kicks and flat out be being better than anyone else on the field.
Mark Ingram ran between the tackles in lanes 4 yards wide. Yea no difference. [dummy]
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jadennis said...
I think you're missing part of the point. I agree that Ingram wasn't a great Heisman winner. And you're right, there is, in my mind, a pretty decent list of backs that were as good or better than him that didn't win it, or even get invited (Cadillac, Knowshown Moreno, Felix Jones, etc). I think he did win it in large part because of the Alabama/Saban hype....but that's part of a lot of Heisman wins.
But that isn't really the point and isn't what people are primarily attacking. It's the idea that he was a "system" product. The idea that he was only successful because he played in some particular system. I, as most others on here, don't consider Alabama's offense to be remotely any kind of "system"...certainly no more than what any number of other great players play in (especially Montee Ball or any running back at Wisconsin), and far less of a system than what Manzeil or Tebow or Bradford or LeMichael James played in.
Give an honest opinion that you don't think Ingram or Lacy are that special of a talent...cool, that's an opinion. Blaming their success on Alabama's "system" though, doesn't make much sense.
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jadennis said...
I think you're missing part of the point. I agree that Ingram wasn't a great Heisman winner. And you're right, there is, in my mind, a pretty decent list of backs that were as good or better than him that didn't win it, or even get invited (Cadillac, Knowshown Moreno, Felix Jones, etc). I think he did win it in large part because of the Alabama/Saban hype....but that's part of a lot of Heisman wins.
But that isn't really the point and isn't what people are primarily attacking. It's the idea that he was a "system" product. The idea that he was only successful because he played in some particular system. I, as most others on here, don't consider Alabama's offense to be remotely any kind of "system"...certainly no more than what any number of other great players play in (especially Montee Ball or any running back at Wisconsin), and far less of a system than what Manzeil or Tebow or Bradford or LeMichael James played in.
Give an honest opinion that you don't think Ingram or Lacy are that special of a talent...cool, that's an opinion. Blaming their success on Alabama's "system" though, doesn't make much sense.
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LaBornNRaised said...
I definitely understand where you are coming from better now but I was basing it off the fact that Alabama's Offense is a Power Running System. I was using the analogy the same way some QBs are considered system QBs. I was not slighting them in the least and I am ignoring that other fellow now for even suggeting that I am jealous considering I stated that Yeldon is indeed special the same way T-RIch was.
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LaBornNRaised said...
You might be the dumbest poster on tBB Congrats. Are u seriously saying Mark Ingram Is comparable to Reggie Bush in college.
Let's see Bush was the most electrifying player in all college catching, running, returning kicks and flat out be being better than anyone else on the field.
Mark Ingram ran between the tackles in lanes 4 yards wide. Yea no difference. [dummy]
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Eddie Lacy will be the 6th best RB Notre Dame will have faced.