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FSU and Clemson to Big 12?

  • Black Shipley said...

    I have a feeling that you may have eaten paint chips as a child.

    roflmao Nah I don’t think so, my parents were pretty good about watching that kind of stuff when I was a kid.

    I doubt you go indy now, since this FSU and Clemson thing seems for real but in the case that this blows up I don’t really see any of your other options since the B1G, SEC, and Pac 12 don’t want you on your “terms”. I don’t really see what’s wrong In me saying you guys might go indy either. Its not like you guys are going to end up like ND. You already have one of if not the strongest recruiting base in the country, you could handpick your schedule, ESPN would probably Nationally televise all of your games, The Big East would probably give the same sweetheart deal they gave to ND and let you play all of your other sports in that conference, and you could probably finally air HS games on the LHN which would probably help with getting the network on TV.

    Again I doubt you go indy if the Big XII pulls this off, which I don’t really see why they wouldn’t since it works out for both parties involved. But if they don’t I don’t really see what other options you have besides staying in a watered down Big XII.

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  • CWEBB said...

    roflmao Nah I don’t think so, my parents were pretty good about watching that kind of stuff when I was a kid.

    I doubt you go indy now, since this FSU and Clemson thing seems for real but in the case that this blows up I don’t really see any of your other options since the B1G, SEC, and Pac 12 don’t want you on your “terms”. I don’t really see what’s wrong In me saying you guys might go indy either. Its not like you guys are going to end up like ND. You already have one of if not the strongest recruiting base in the country, you could handpick your schedule, ESPN would probably Nationally televise all of your games, The Big East would probably give the same sweetheart deal they gave to ND and let you play all of your other sports in that conference, and you could probably finally air HS games on the LHN which would probably help with getting the network on TV.

    Again I doubt you go indy if the Big XII pulls this off, which I don’t really see why they wouldn’t since it works out for both parties involved. But if they don’t I don’t really see what other options you have besides staying in a watered down Big XII.

    Texas could go independent, but that is one of the least likely things they would do if the Big 12 were to unwind. Their options would make your head swim. You can bet that Notre Dame would be a big part of what would come next. But none of that is likely to ever happen. Texas' focus is on making the Big 12 the premier conference. Don't underestimate the advantage of a central time zone.

    VaHorn

  • VaHorn said...

    Texas could go independent, but that is one of the least likely things they would do if the Big 12 were to unwind. Their options would make your head swim. You can bet that Notre Dame would be a big part of what would come next. But none of that is likely to ever happen. Texas' focus is on making the Big 12 the premier conference. Don't underestimate the advantage of a central time zone.

    I’m not, I have a lot of respect for UT, and UT and USC are probably the only schools who could successfully pull it off. I doubt it happens, since this looks for real.

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  • Bottom line is The ACC really sucked this year.
    · The ACC was 0-9 against non-conference teams that finished in the AP Top 25.

    · The ACC was 2-6 in bowls. (5th straight losing season.)

    · The ACC was 0-2 in BCS bowls. (2-13 all-time).

    · The ACC champ got disgraced 70-33 by the Big East champ (5-2, Big East).

    · The ACC Coastal champ got beat by Big Ten Legends runner-up (not champ).

    · The ACC finished last among the 6 BCS conferences in Sagarin rankings.Ever since the Atlantic Coast Conference expanded to 12 teams in 2005, it has aspired to be like the boss of the college football block, the Southeastern Conference.

    Unfortunately, there is not much gridiron cred. On the actual field of play, the ACC remains well behind the SEC.The old stereotype is that the ACC simply cares more about basketball than football, even after bringing in Florida State in the early '90s and then Miami and Virginia Tech in '04. And that general league apathy toward football greatness yields mediocre results.The league’s record in BCS games has been well documented (2-13 all-time) but the simple truth of the matter is that those teams representing the ACC in those BCS games just simply haven’t been that good. The average ranking of the ACC champions heading into the title game is 14, and that’s calculated out of 6 games because the 2008 ACC champions were unranked. The combined record for ACC championship game participants is 88-24 in conference games, which is a 78.5% winning percentage, and averages out to a season record of 6-2. The records for combined winners and combined losers is the exact same at 44-12. What does this mean? It means that 6-2 is good enough to get you in the ACC title game with a 50/50 shot at a BCS game.We hear the jokes all the time about the Big East, but IMO the ACC is worse. The Big East is bad, but at least most people realize it is bad.

    People do not realize the ACC is bad. Some of the schools in that conference really don't make a commitment to football. More or less three or four teams (GT, FSU, Clem, VT) run the conference and everyone else is just an easy win for them. Because of this, every year teams like VT or Clemson run up an impressive record only to fall flat on their face at the end of the year. Not only are they 2-13 in BCS bowl games, but every November 3-4 acc teams play SEC rivals and normally the acc teams fall flat.Except for two additions - Florida State in 1992 and Virginia Tech in 2004 - ACC football has been hurt more than helped as a result of growth.

    Boston College and Miami have had almost no national impact. Miami fizzled. Even when Georgia Tech was added in 1979, the program was far removed from Bobby Dodd's national contenders of the 1950s. It wasn't until Bobby Ross arrived in 1987 that the Yellow Jackets began to recover some clout.

    The arrivals of Pittsburgh and Syracuse from the Big East, at a date still to be determined, will probably do little to upgrade on-field results.

    Like Georgia Tech in '79 and Miami in 2004, Syracuse (5-7 in 2011) and Pitt (6-6) are former national leaders long in retreat.

    Spursc

  • VaHorn said...

    This would be the worst possible news for A&M. Their recruiting should be at a zenith right now (boost from a new coach and an even bigger boast from moving to the SEC). And Texas is coming off their worst 2 year period in more than a decade. Result? Texas is dominating recruiting to an extent I've never seen before. A&M is losing every head-to-head battle. Why? Because the move to the SEC has marginalized them in the State of Texas. The rivalries and focus of attention in the state is the Big 12. Adding Clemson and FSU (along with TCU and WVU) would even take away any claim that the SEC is the superior conference. A&M used to pick second behind Texas (and OU). Now they are losing recruits to TCU and Baylor.

    So forgive Status for being shrill. His little world is collapsing around him.

    Hahahahah

    Isaiah golden
    Ishmael Wilson
    Derrick Griffin

    All would have Texas offers if interested, but they aren't. Lets not forget samples who does have an offer. Mack's got the cool aid brewing pretty strong on the 40 acres. He's beginning to get desperate.

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  • Status said...

    Hahahahah

    Isaiah golden Ishmael Wilson Derrick Griffin

    All would have Texas offers if interested, but they aren't. Lets not forget samples who does have an offer. Mack's got the cool aid brewing pretty strong on the 40 acres. He's beginning to get desperate.

    Sure VaHorn wasn't completely accurate with his "winning every head-to-head" battle statement, but he's damn close.

    Let's not play "if" games.

    9 out of 10 players that ARE offered by both choose who, exactly?

    Samples will NOT commit to Texas. We've moved on. We're in the Robbie Rhodes sweepstakes now, and truth be told, he's got a higher ceiling. So, after landing Jake Oliver, Ricky Seals-Jones, and Jacorey Warrick, we could allow ourselves to cut ties with Samples and take a longer look at Rhodes. Remind me again. Did A&M offer Oliver, Seals-Jones, and Warrick? If so, what happened? We're they not good enough for the SEC?

    And Christian LaCouture? What happened to him? He's going to the Big Ten after MOVING HIS FAMILY TO COLLEGE STATION! Bwahahahaha! What happened there? Did he say, "damn, SEC or no SEC, I gotta get out of this weird boring culturally defunct place that these bur-headed fake army guys and gals call "College Station"?"

    The kool-aid is very strong, and mighty tasty. That I admit.

    But desperate? Agga, please. Desperate would be leaving a conference in hopes that it'll boost your recruiting, because a frank comparison of the programs of Texas and A&M is an excercise in amusing futility. Desperate is coining a stupid term like "AggSwagg" and thinking it's cool will actually help recruiting. Desperate is hiring a coach that's never built his own program to go into the SEC with a Tech-style offense and no defense whatsoever to back it up.

    Aggy's name is Delusional, but their middle name is Desperate. Last name? Rhymes with Dipsticks.

    Don't project your issues with desperation onto your former Daddy. Start practicing with LSU fans. It'll serve you better when they are raping your team year in and year out in the...SEC! SEC! SEC!

    lol

    Black Shipley

  • Didn't read.

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    Status

  • I think it would be a good move for both schools
    And it would turn the ACC into the Big East, really everyone beside Va Tech would stink
    Va Tech would be undefeated every year

    At least the ACC would be good in basketball

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    DPGators

  • I also think it would force FSU to choose between Miami and Florida to play every year
    There schedule would get a ton better and they wouldn't want to play both

    Which means they would probably go to an every other year with Miami and UF
    rotating venues

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  • Big 12 released TV figures today and its gonna be 20 million a year. I have a hard time believing the ACC can't match that. That's pretty much the only reason to leave.

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  • Status said...

    Didn't read.

    Tired of getting repeatedly owned in this thread alone? I thought I told you to run along now.

    Hear that? It's the dinner bell. Momma's callin' you in, son. And after dinner you still gotta "milk" the goats. Get to it.

    Black Shipley

  • It truly disgusts me the way they talk about the university of miami. Were talking about arguably the biggest powerhouse in college football in the last 30 years. The University of Miami will never fade away and thats what these SORRY ass nole fans don't understand. They went 6 and 6 this year and still were tied for the most kids drafted this year with 6 tied with Alabama. Its always blown my mind how people talk so negatively of the Canes, it is sad that FSU fans have to talk down about them to make them feel like they are actually worth something considering they are also arguably the most well known school for not developing talent year in and year out cry. Just give the orange and green some respect. There is no reason for all the bs

    Smitty95

  • Status said...

    Big 12 released TV figures today and its gonna be 20 million a year. I have a hard time believing the ACC can't match that. That's pretty much the only reason to leave.

    What you seem to be missing is the supposed 20 million/year contract is for a 10 team league. If the conference expands to 12 (or more), then a conference championship game gets added and the money goes up for everyone.

    But let's assume, for a moment, that if FSU and Clemson join, that the CCG won't cause an increase in the television revenue. In order for the ACC to match what the Big 12 can offer, their television revenue would need to be in the 25-30 million dollar range since Tier 3 is included. I don't see that happening.

    Then there is the new playoff format which is rumored to heavily rely on strength of schedule to determine the participants. With the ACC arguably being weaker than the Big East overall, ACC teams will need to find a new home if they want to have any realiatic chance at playing for a MNC annually.

    So other than money and playoff participation, you're right, there aren't any reasons to leave.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by Rivver on 5/7/2012 at 8:26 PM

    Rivver

  • That's just theoretical. Dodds wants to stay at 10.

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  • Status said...

    That's just theoretical. Dodds wants to stay at 10.

    He would rather stay at 10 than add the wrong schools, ones that wouldn't increase the money for everyone. Most fans from other schools I've spoken with would also rather stay at 10 because they like it when everyone plays everyone ever year.

    Rivver

  • Status........you can mark Derrick Griffin off of your list since he has zero chance of qualifying. There is a better chance of the Big 12 adding FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, ND, and VT, than Griffin qualifying.

    HoopsCoach

  • Status said...

    That's just theoretical. Dodds wants to stay at 10.

    Theoretical? LMFAO!!!

    Black Shipley

  • Status said...

    Hahahahah

    Isaiah golden
    Ishmael Wilson
    Derrick Griffin

    All would have Texas offers if interested, but they aren't. Lets not forget samples who does have an offer. Mack's got the cool aid brewing pretty strong on the 40 acres. He's beginning to get desperate.

    Mack is getting desperate? With our recruiting class? Give me a friggin break dude. We get it. You don't like the Big 12. With your lack of success in the Big 12, I dont blame you. Just move on bro.

    This post was edited by TexasO on 5/7/2012 at 6:46 PM

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  • TexasO said...

    Mack is getting desperate? With our recruiting class? Give me a friggin break dude. We get it. You don't like the Big 12. With your lack of success in the Big 12, I dont blame you. Just move on bro.

    Anytime you have 17 players transfer out in the span out two years you know the coach is feeling the heat.

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  • Status said...

    Anytime you have 17 players transfer out in the span out two years you know the coach is feeling the heat.

    And any time you have 17 decommits in the span of 2 years you know you're Aggie!

    HoopsCoach

  • HoopsCoach said...

    And any time you have 17 decommits in the span of 2 years you know you're Aggie!

    I believe it was 19 in a 12 month span, but hey, who's counting right?

    pepper11

  • Status said...

    Anytime you have 17 players transfer out in the span out two years you know the coach is feeling the heat.

    How many of those players would have started this year? Don't worry, I'll wait.

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  • Status said...

    Anytime you have 17 players transfer out in the span out two years you know the coach is feeling the heat.

    Ironic. An aggy that don't know how to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    Feeling the heat? Mack is feeling a lot less pressure. Hell, he's probably looking at the crystal football he brought Texas, grinning like a madman.

    Sumlin meanwhile just looked at his defense and thought, "Damn."

    lol

    Do keep up with the inferiority projections though. It's classic.

    Black Shipley

  • Status said...

    Big 12 released TV figures today and its gonna be 20 million a year. I have a hard time believing the ACC can't match that. That's pretty much the only reason to leave.

    peaceWith all due respect, I am puzzled why you care to participate in this discussion at this point. Your team has chosen a different path forward and is not part of the future being discussed here.

    Rice4Texas

  • Status is an idiot, but let's humor him. Can the ACC match $20 million per year? Let's see if the SEC can first...

    There is no way Mack would have offered Griffin. Zero chance of qualifying. Those are the sort of players that Aggy has to offer because their know they cannot compete with Texas. Besides, Oliver is the better player. Advantage Texas! Golden? Maybe, maybe not. We didn't offer. Wilson? Give me a break. And not take Raulerson, James or Robinson? All higher rated player. All kids A&M offered and lost to Texas.

    A&M is 0 for 11 in head to head battles with Texas this year. Let that sink in. After Texas' worst two years and all the hype surrounding a new coach and going to the SEC. They haven't won a single recruiting battle! A&M can run, but they can't escape Texas' long shadow. The Eyes of Texas are upon you, my little Aggy friend.

    VaHorn