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Yes, and FSU's football classes under Jimbo, have been better than the recent basketball classes. Combine that with playing tougher competition, and I think FSU has a better basketball coach than football coach ATM.

Good talent, no doubt. However, look at the talent of UNC, Duke, etc. Then look at other teams in the ACC in football besides FSU. Talent doesn't stack up at all from other ACC football schools. FSU blows everyone away easily in terms of recruiting talent.

Disagree. None have won any type of Championship, and that's all that matters.

All of them are extremely average IMO.

I agree with all of that. Still though, 2-0 against UF and Miami isn't that impressive right now. Both programs currently are garbage. Sorry, but a win against ND isn't very impressive. The win against SCe is semi impressive. We will see how it goes this year for FSU, but it's not like Jimbo took over a bunch of scrubs at FSU either. He has recruited very well, but Hamilton has recruited very well as you have shown, and now has some type of Championship. I agree though, Jimbo is doing "alright". I expect FSU to dominate the ACC though, so we shall see.

UF seemed to thump their chests an awful lot when they were beating up on pitiful FSU teams. Funny how that becomes no big deal when the tables have turned.

UF and Miami might not be up to the old school days of UF and Miami, but there is still talent on both rosters. The Canes had 9 players invited to the NFL combine. Urban Meyer had how many top 10 recruiting classes? Who's fault is it that those players aren't producing wins? Just like you can't put the blame on Jimbo, because the classes that Bobby Bowden, and his dumbass assistants brought in, went to complete waste.

Just because you sign a 4 or 5-star doesn't guarantee them glory in college. Those 4 and 5-star kids needs to come in with a 2-stars work ethic, and then those coaches have to be competent, and know how to develop the kids to reach their potential. That's what Florida State was lacking before Jimbo took over HC. You still had Chuck Amato coaching LB's. You still had Jody Allen coaching DE's. You still had Mickey running a 1970's cover 0 scheme. Get where I'm going with this?

The attitude of the program was set to mediocrity, because the coaches before Jimbo allowed it. They yelled at kids, they didn't coach kids. Nobody evolved from a coaching staff perspective, and college football passed them by. There's a new attitude in Tallahassee, and it was showing last season, just watch how our defense played, and [when our OL blocked] on offense.

But dont confuse my optimism and enthusiasm for the future as me saying "WE WINNING SHIPS IN 2012", because I am waiting to see how the OL and EJ do in the Spring going up against the best defense that they will face all year in 2012.

I just think our future is bright, and this is when I had always envisioned our future to begin [2012], where as 2010 and 2011 were gathering the seeds, planting them, watering them, and now we get to see what we've been growing come to fruition.

I think Leonard Hamilton is only the beginning to the Seminoles overall athletic success for 2012.

Our baseball team is presently ranked No.8 in the USA TODAY/ESPN Top 25. We're 14-1 right now, and will likely move up from No.8. I think we have a very good shot at another ACC Championship in baseball. The pitching staff has looked good through 15 games (2.84 ERA), and Boyd and Ramsey are two of the best hitters in the country.

The track program will win another National Championship. That's all that needs to be said. National Championship, again.

Then the icing on the cake will be Florida State's football season. Hopefully the icing tastes good (ACC Championship, BCS bowl, etc).

And not that anyone cares, but our ladies soccer team will be the shit again (ACC Champs, Final 4 last season)

Ham has had ten years to build this basketball program where it is now, because the previous coach left him with a pile of svit to work with. Also it is a little early to judge jimbo right now, because 2012 is the year most fans had pegged.

Interesting thread

Hard to disagree with anything Bushido said

I certainly don't think its fair to judge Jimbo yet

He had to clean a giant mess and last year was a very young team coupled with insane amounts of injuries

My instinct says Jimbo is a better coach and will accomplish a lot more than Hamilton ever will

I doubt it takes Jimbo 10 years to win one ACC title

It takes a stupid person to completely dismiss the dispersion in competition. It should take longer for FSU to build up a basketball program in the ACC, than a football program.

Jimbo is building a foundation for a long run at a high level. He may not have yielded immediate success by some standards (I think he has clearly improved the program) yet but it's what he's building towards and the way he is doing it that impresses me.

Right now Coach Ham has done more. Jimbo's time is coming, maybe very soon.