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I would hope that the school is in better financial standing that the city and state. Can it get worse?
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My mom graduated from Cal. That school is basically a private school now with the amount of money they are asking their alumni to donate at the moment. She gets letters about every month showing what cuts might have to be made by the University if the state continues to make the cuts they have been having to make. She sent them a huge letter asking about why they felt the need to make all the renovations to the stadium before ensuring the academic future of the school. She said in the letter that if she got a phone call from someone from the University to discuss the matter that a check would be in the mail.
She never heard from anyone. USC is in my parent's will by the way. I don't know if they still do it, but when my dad attended school that was something that they used to ask families to do.
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I'm going to share with you a post that Blem took to our MB...from a Cane fan/alum who attended USC for his graduate studies. I think he is pretty much spot on...save for USC once being "Sun Tan U"....USC was never considered a "party school", and it was very conservative in your parents and my time.
This post was in response to Cane fans who had no idea USC was so highly ranked academically:
"Interesting discussion, let me chime in here. I recently graduated with a dual degree from USC's law school (ranked 18th nationwide) and public policy school (7th nationally I believe). I also graduated from UM's undergraduate business program, but with the political science major (not offered anymore through the B-school...a shame). Not trying to hijack the thread, so I'll try to put my thoughts in one post.
Interestingly, Miami's recent rise is quite reminiscent of USC's. Ironically, USC was thought of somewhat derisively as a "sun tan U" equivalent decades ago, with little academic prestige and national recognition. They are also both smallish and expensive private schools. Many of the things Miami has done - bring in top professors, attract top tier students, emphasize research - USC did as well in the 80s and 90s.
But there's also something very unique about USC that, in my mind, helped it rise the ranks quite a bit. Keep in mind, as a 'Cane attending USC in 2006, I HATED the Trojans for taking our spot as CFB superpower, so it would take a LOT to sway me the other direction. But they did. What USC does exceptionally well is encourage outside-of-the-box thinking, entrepreneurial ambition, and unconventional career paths among its students. (Example: California Pizza Kitchen was founded by two USC Law alums who hated being lawyers, and examples like these are trumpeted by the school in literature, etc. to encourage kids to pursue unconventional paths. Seeing that made me look twice at USC originally.) You have Japan studies majors starting native Hawaiian care package businesses (one random example of a 'SC alum friend I know), which may not translate into department prestige, but does translate into one strong institution. These entrepreneurial alumni, in turn, were very generous to the school and built what the university community calls the "Trojan Family." Now I think the U is a great family too, but I've never seen anything like the Trojan family when it comes to landing jobs and opportunities outside of school. It's something else, and is a large reason why USC can hire the all-star profs.
USC has focused extensively on innovation, entrepreneurship, and the development of alumni (both as donors and community leaders), and it worked. From hosting TED talks to holding innovation competitions on campus, you can't go to USC and not be pushed to do something different with your life. The degree to which the school goes out of its way to cultivate, incubate and encourage student entrepreneurs (I was one) is a testament to its competitive appeal. I can honestly cite USC as a major reason I was able to do what I did (Hint: I'm not a lawyer).
I personally didn't get the same feeling from Miami while I was there, but I hope things have changed. (Before I get flamed, that's NOT to say I don't love what Shalala has done. I do.) It may have been just the undergraduate program at the time.
Now, I have no evidence that USC's approach DIRECTLY translates into rankings, but it made me love USC ('Canes still #1 of course), which I never thought possible. In sum, I believe USC deserves the accolades it gets, and it has much less to do with Annenberg and the cinema school than outsiders think.
When I saw Miami hit #50 last year, I excitedly told friends that UM was on the same path to greatness that USC was a few decades earlier. Looks like that thought has been confirmed, and I'm proud to see it. I predict within another 15-20 years, if current trends continue, UM will join USC in the top 25.
Sorry for the long post, and go 'Canes!
Many of his point tell exactly why alums are so ready to give back, in their communities, and the university that nurtured the ideal of philanthropy.
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I agree. USC's alumni have done a great job (especially the last 10 years) to no only change the image of the school, but also the surrounding LA community. They are not blessed with the same great location that some of the other schools in the area, but have really changed a lot of the area in which they are located. By location, it is a great location, but the surrounding areas were not the best for a while.
Even at Alabama, this principle that you mentioned (or he mentioned) has taken hold in some cases. The New College, which was started by Hampshire College and a USC alumnus by the way, is a program that allows the student to set a path that may differ from most students. It is almost like a, build your own major, meant for those that try to "stretch the boundaries" of Liberal Arts. The students take about 75-80% of their classes at Alabama, including their core that is required of course, but then they work with advisors to find either classes at the University or any other school that would help cultivate the type of education that they want to experience or obtain. It is part of the CIEL (the Consortium for Innovatve Environments in Learning), which is a pretty cool program that cultivates a lot of what he was discussing.
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Excellent! So good to hear....I think it just strikes a cord when I read anything that touches on the "University of Spoiled Children" mantra many use...along with it's polar opposite dig..."University of South Central". I think people in general, throughout the country are ignorant to the fact that USC is a university focused on community service...50% of the student volunteer in the community - football players included. There is a reason the university and student housing was virtually untouched during the L.A. Riots, that was happening all around her....
I really like Alabama, and Georgia as well...those two universities just have a certain "established" and genteel air about them that goes beyond regional schools.
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The University of South Central was the one that they have been quick to clean up. I remember showing some friends exactly where the riots happened and they were amazed how close the school was.
If anyone actually knew the student populations, UCLA is the one of spoiled children, IMO. USC has their share, but like you mentioned before, they have put an emphasis on keeping the campus a diverse and balanced atmosphere. The student population is nothing like the ones you would find at comparable schools like Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern, Duke, or Notre Dame. In fact, that desire for balance is one of the few reasons USC is not always seen in the same light as those Universities, although it should.
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Hello? The John McKay Center was needed, bam, the money donated to build it. Dr. Jerry Buss wrote the check to bring Lane to USC, and he and Ed Roski made sure Monte Kiffin is the highest paid coordinator - that's just he tip of the iceberg. As I said before, all player positions are endowed by alumni, including the AD and HC salaries. Our band travels with our teams in support of athletics, funded by alumni donations...it goes on and on and on...
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And this proves what? Auburn had the highest paid group of assistant coaches in the nation last year. If you throw in the head coach, Auburn and Alabama probably have the two highest paid coaching staffs in the entire country. When it comes to football facilities, I would also put the SEC up against anyone, especially the PAC 12
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That definitely holds true to most PAC12 schools, except USC and Oregon. USC used to have horrible facilities, but that is not the case anymore. I am an Alabama fan, but I have toured the USC campus recently and their facilities definitely measure up to most these days.
You are correct that they used to be horrible......and it was really only recently that they caught up.
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