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buckeye_mikey69 said...
Well, when you ask your girlfriend to marry you after having known her for only a few weeks (and she's still in high school), this is kind of what happens. Brady Hoke's recruiting style kind of resembles the same approach non BCS schools take. Offer early with an extremely grand gesture or visiting experience, hope for an emotional high from the kid which results in an early commitment, then hope like crazy that the pressure of the guy having already given his word means he sticks around. The problem with that approach is that sometimes, the kid will realize he committed too early without ever getting to experience other opportunities. Sure, many of these kids will stick with their commitment (maybe because genuinely like the school, or they've made friends with future teammates, or they do regret committing early but don't want to make people angry by wanting to look around). However, you can't fault anyone (especially a kid in high school) for wanting to take a look around after prematurely making a selection based on an emotional high. The Hokester is especially daft for his whole "But you already gave your word! If you leave now, you can NEVER come back" policy. These are kids in high school. Pressuring them into an early decision and then rebuking them for thinking that maybe they should've looked around a little more is pretty stupid.
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His policy is not intended to put pressure on the kids. He tells them to not commit unless they are actually committed, he doesn't want kids who waver and there are plenty of arguments to be made why this is better than it is bad. His policy exists because he had to draw a line in the sand somewhere, and his line divides those who want to be committed and value the meaning of the word vs. those who are place-holding until they find something better.
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mriderblue12 said...
Don't recall it happening yet. So... No?
Does Meyer have health issues? Or was that just another one of his self-absorbed lies to get something he wanted? Does he still have dreams about young kids? Has he found his next Percy Harvin yet?
We can go all day asking dumb questions back and forth, I'm game if you are.
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devidee said...
It's a relevant question.
If Hoke won't allow committed kids to visit elsewhere but he let's kids who are committed elsewhere to visit Michigan it's extremely hypocritical.
I was asking sincerely btw. I don't know if Hoke has let a committed kid visit Michigan or not.
This post was edited by Mitch Again on 11/13/2012 at 1:32 PM
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devidee said...
It's a relevant question.
If Hoke won't allow committed kids to visit elsewhere but he let's kids who are committed elsewhere to visit Michigan it's extremely hypocritical.
I was asking sincerely btw. I don't know if Hoke has let a committed kid visit Michigan or not.
This post was edited by mriderblue12 on 11/13/2012 at 1:32 PM
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Mitch Again said...
He does let committed kids visit, but it is not of the norm. One example is the Penn State kids, Hoke had no intentions of recruiting their current players, but he re-recruited Ross Douglass who was committed to PSU at the time.
Recruiting is not a binary, therefore his policy is not hypocritical. His definition of the word commitment varies from other coaches. If he values the word to a point where he won't let our commits visit elsewhere, it doesn't mean he has to live by his own rules for other coaches. If they let their commits take visits, why would he not recruit them? That's the game of recruiting. If all the coaches had the same strategy as Hoke, this would be a moot point. Hoke worries about our recruits and our commits, the same as every other coach in the country. If he spent his time worrying about the other coaches policies because they differ from his, our classes would plummet from being in the top-5 to the low teens.
This is just my opinion though and I understand your side of it.
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mriderblue12 said...
Tough to tell when you are being serious and when you are just trolling.
Hoke's policy has seemed pretty firm this far. If you are committed and flirt or visit with other schools you are going to get cut from Michigan. And as far as I remember no committed prospect has actually visited Michigan unless under extreme circumstances (Douglas and PSU).
Not sure why rival fanbases hate this policy so much and try to make it seem like a sham?
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Mitch Again said...
What? No. The word commitment is "meaningless" to the other coaches. To Hoke, these are all prospective recruits. He can't control how much the other coaches enforce their commitments. Again, that's just the way recruiting goes. Try to look at this objectively if you're as curious as you seem to be.
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mriderblue12 said...
Yeh I edited my post, I realized that we let them visit all the time. Our most recent WR commit was committed to CMU for a while.
I don't care if it's hypocritical. Hoke's job is to get the best players for Michigan, not to be Mr. Nice Guy on the trail.
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Mitch Again said...
What? No. The word commitment is "meaningless" to the other coaches. To Hoke, these are all prospective recruits. He can't control how much the other coaches enforce their commitments. Again, that's just the way recruiting goes. Try to look at this objectively if you're as curious as you seem to be.
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mriderblue12 said...
Isn't it the exact opposite?
If you are "committed" to Michigan it means you are 100% all in and not flirting with other schools. I'd argue other schools not pulling schollys due to flirtation are making the word "commitment" meaningless.
The act of kids committing and decommitting at the drop of hat is growing tiresome, and until more and more guys like Hoke show these kids there are consequences for their actions it will continue to get worse.
More coaches should take Hoke's approach, it would make kids be more accountable and mature during the recruitment process, and IMO that needs to happen. Kids feel too entitled these days.
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mriderblue12 said...
Meh, being young doesn't excuse some kids from acting like absolute buffoons.
How many times did Matt Elam switch his "commitment" back and forth during his recruitment?
If you aren't 100% sure, don't commit.
If more Coaches took Hoke's policy kids would be less inclined to commit early only to flirt with other schools.
Young kids need to accountable as well, being young isn't a free pass to act like a fool IMO.
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