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  • StrdyGldnBear said...

    Thanks for the update JC.

    Nice to see QB Jared Goff getting a bump up to a 4* after his MVP performance at the NFTC.

    He's a guy that we expect to keep ascending.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Against Oregon high schoolers no less. Love to see him run for 2,400 yards and 33 TDs in Georgia's largest class and lead his team to the state championship game.

    Kid got injured again during track season this Spring. Great measureables.....but not an ELITE RB.

    I think Tyner will likely descend over time. I think he's a great fit at Oregon in their scheme combined with his skill set/strengths as a runner, but I still expect him to descend over time.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    For me, quarterback rankings at the high school level are a crapshoot for the most part because there are so many variables at play, and they don't truly come into play until the next level. I think the baseline skill sets are big, plus what one can really dig on in terms of the variables at hand. An elite dual-threat guy (Vince Young and Cam Newton) being the easiest because the college game and scheme possibilities. With the guys who are going to have to make or break throwing the football, there are so many factors that play in - and the reality is the warts aren't exposed until the next level in the majority of cases. It's the ultimate respond to adverse situations in sports IMO.

    Just one opinion here, but I would like to see Morris change ball speeds, change traj's more and consistently, get consistent on every facet of being a passer instead of a strong armed thrower.

    I love his baseline skill set. The feet are very good, the arm strength is there obviously, he has a quick arm, is athletic enough to extend plays at the next level against big time athletes, and appears to have the reactionary quickness with the feet and body to work around a athletic pass rush and still make plays with a throw into faster closing windows than what he sees at the HS level. I also like how he carries himself, the self confidence, you can tell guys like him - which is so key too.

    I think this is really fair assessment. This is exactly what the guys at the elite 11 camp told him too. To be honest, as much as I'm a huge fan of Shane, I think in order for him to get the 5 star bump he needs to prove he can do that in a game situation this season. It's easy to work on your weaknesses there's no pressure but can he do that with a defender in his face?

    Whether he gets the fifth star or not he's still a huge asset to our school and a perfect fit for our offense.

    jimtaco

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Shane Morris

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    lol

    He will get there either at 247 or on the field.

    SDWolverine

  • Appreciate the response Gerry, good explanation

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  • Very entertaining thread.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Yeah- we really liked him on film as well.

    Gerry Hamilton said...

    He's a guy that we expect to keep ascending.

    How does Goff compare to 5* Max Browne?

    StrdyGldnBear

  • How is the numerical grade determined guys? Tia.

    PimpVol

  • double post. sorry.

    This post was edited by PimpVol on 5/29/2012 at 4:08 PM

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  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    I think Tyner will likely descend over time. I think he's a great fit at Oregon in their scheme combined with his skill set/strengths as a runner, but I still expect him to descend over time.

    Well hopefully if you are evaluating you will do so with an open mind and without prejudice. I'm fairly certain that none of the naysayers have ever seen Tyner play in person. The kid is a beast with a champion's heart. He has suffered some unfortunate injuries that have kept him off the track and out of some games.

    Given his lofty aspirations and that CK (Chip Kelly) doesn't give positions to anyone (including 5 stars), he'll have to work his tail off to get playing time for Oregon who will have Marshall, Wilson, DAT, and possibly others in the backfield. If he works his tail off and stays relatively injury free, my projection is that he will be the best back in the country, including the SEC. And just to give a little relativity - DAT ran a 10.65 this Spring for the Oregon track team in the 100 meters. As a sophomore in high school - Tyner ran a 10.35, beating a senior Arthur Delaney who is now on the Oregon track squad by several meters. My guess is he'll be able to get to the outside and then up the field, even at the next level.

    This post was edited by Drewknowledge on 5/29/2012 at 4:40 PM

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  • Drewknowledge said...

    Well hopefully if you are evaluating you will do so with an open mind and without prejudice. I'm fairly certain that none of the naysayers have ever seen Tyner play in person. The kid is a beast with a champion's heart. He has suffered some unfortunate injuries that have kept him off the track and out of some games.

    Should have stopped there.

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  • Drewknowledge said...

    Well hopefully if you are evaluating you will do so with an open mind and without prejudice. I'm fairly certain that none of the naysayers have ever seen Tyner play in person. The kid is a beast with a champion's heart. He has suffered some unfortunate injuries that have kept him off the track and out of some games.

    Given his lofty aspirations and that CK (Chip Kelly) doesn't give positions to anyone (including 5 stars), he'll have to work his tail off to get playing time for Oregon who will have Marshall, Wilson, DAT, and possibly others in the backfield. If he works his tail off and stays relatively injury free, my projection is that he will be the best back in the country, including the SEC. And just to give a little relativity - DAT ran a 10.65 this Spring for the Oregon track team in the 100 meters. As a sophomore in high school - Tyner ran a 10.35, beating a senior Arthur Delaney who is now on the Oregon track squad by several meters. My guess is he'll be able to get to the outside and then up the field, even at the next level.

    Cool. Tyner still can't break a tackle, but whatever.

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  • NCHokie said...

    He did go to Clover Hill, transferred to Manchester for senior year.

    Ok thanks, ok hes the one the Clover Hill principle, who is a hokie, was glad he transferred. Hes been a problem child for her from what she told my gfs mom.

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  • For Gerry or JC,
    If Tyren Jones produces another season on the field similar to last year, 2400 rushing yards/38 TD's, do you think that will be enough to get him a 5th star? Adding in his stats from his freshman and sophomore seasons at Lassiter HS before transferring to Walton, he is likely to finish as the all-time leading rusher and TD scorer in the history of Georgia's largest classification. If on the field performance doesn't get him there then I doubt he would ever get it because the only camps he is likely to compete in will be camps at Bama and the Next Level 7 on 7 championships in Cali later this summer. He did not do Nike, MVP Camp, Under Amour Combines or any of the other events.

    This post was edited by heatheatheat on 5/29/2012 at 10:31 PM

    heatheatheat

  • heatheatheat said...

    For Gerry or JC, If Tyren Jones produces another season on the field similar to last year, 2400 rushing yards/38 TD's, do you think that will be enough to get him a 5th star? Adding in his stats from his freshman and sophomore seasons at Lassiter HS before transferring to Walton, he is likely to finish as the all-time leading rusher and TD scorer in the history of Georgia's largest classification. If on the field performance doesn't get him there then I doubt he would ever get it because the only camps he is likely to compete in will be camps at Bama and the Next Level 7 on 7 championships in Cali later this summer. He did not do Nike, MVP Camp, Under Amour Combines or any of the other events.

    His game film is rather unimpressive. Perhaps he SHOULD camp somewhere.

    xT I G E R

  • xT I G E R said...

    His game film is rather unimpressive. Perhaps he SHOULD camp somewhere.

    Given that his current 247 rating of 4 Star with a grade of 95 and ranked as #5 RB in nation is predominantly based off of his on-field production and game film [since he has NOT really camped], if that is "unimpressive" then I guess "unimpressive" is not too bad.Keep it moving troll.

    heatheatheat

  • heatheatheat said...

    Given that his current 247 rating of 4 Star with a grade of 95 and ranked as #5 RB in nation is predominantly based off of his on-field production and game film [since he has NOT really camped], if that is "unimpressive" then I guess "unimpressive" is not too bad.Keep it moving troll.

    Maybe one day Tyren can be the player that Carl Lawson IS, but it won't be soon.

    xT I G E R

  • PG Hoo said...

    Doesnt Holland Fisher go to Clover Hill?

    He did. I think he transferred to another school for his senior year.

    VTLocal79

  • How has this thread gotten to 8 pages without LSU-Nova mentioning how Kendall Fuller sucks and does not deserve to be ranked highly?

    VTLocal79

  • xT I G E R said...

    Maybe one day Tyren can be the player that Carl Lawson IS, but it won't be soon.

    you see the game film he had against Lawson?? I think Lawson is 52 but he rarley shows up so I would rather have a gamer then a combine champ,
    310 yards and 5 TDs by HALFTIME against a defense that Lawson plays on

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  • xT I G E R said...

    His game film is rather unimpressive. Perhaps he SHOULD camp somewhere.

    Why.... When he has committed to Running Back U?

    This post was edited by BamaBornDukie on 5/30/2012 at 2:29 PM

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

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  • xT I G E R said...

    Maybe one day Tyren can be the player that Carl Lawson IS, but it won't be soon.

    I personally invite you and any 247 sports analyst to the Walton vs Milton game this Fall on October 26th.. I'm also trying to get my buddy that is an NFL Scout to come to ATL that weekend as I've told him I'd like to get his perspective on Tyren. Nothing like see Tyren play against 5 Star Lawson.

    In the playoffs last November, 2011......Tyren only had ~310 All-Purpose Yards and 5 TDs.....at HALFTIME against Lawson and his Milton team. Hopefully, the next time Tyren can at least be semi-productive.

    LMAO. How in the heck does a team have a 5 star defensive player and allow a kid that 247sports has said is too small (even though he's 205 pounds as a high school Junior.....how much do the #1 and #2 rushers in the NFL in 2011, MJD and Ray Rice, weigh as grown men) to be a 5 star amass 310 yards and 5 TDs in 1/2 of action?

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie

  • Bama Boz said...

    you see the game film he had against Lawson?? I think Lawson is 52 but he rarley shows up so I would rather have a gamer then a combine champ,
    310 yards and 5 TDs by HALFTIME against a defense that Lawson plays on

    Bro you taking about a playoff game. Not a camp..... not a combine. Man.....you talking about a playoff game.

    C'Mon man.....you talking about a playoff game. C'mon man. Everyone knows you can only effectively evaluate players at a combine or a camp. I mean which actually translates best to a college football game?

    C'Mon MAN!

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie

  • Drewknowledge said...

    Well hopefully if you are evaluating you will do so with an open mind and without prejudice. I'm fairly certain that none of the naysayers have ever seen Tyner play in person. The kid is a beast with a champion's heart. He has suffered some unfortunate injuries that have kept him off the track and out of some games.

    Given his lofty aspirations and that CK (Chip Kelly) doesn't give positions to anyone (including 5 stars), he'll have to work his tail off to get playing time for Oregon who will have Marshall, Wilson, DAT, and possibly others in the backfield. If he works his tail off and stays relatively injury free, my projection is that he will be the best back in the country, including the SEC. And just to give a little relativity - DAT ran a 10.65 this Spring for the Oregon track team in the 100 meters. As a sophomore in high school - Tyner ran a 10.35, beating a senior Arthur Delaney who is now on the Oregon track squad by several meters. My guess is he'll be able to get to the outside and then up the field, even at the next level.

    Open wager on Tyner's production in college. I can name several sub 10.5 guys that couldn't cut it on the football field as a RB. As long as you can run 4.5x.......speed is not a factor that prevents or "exclusively" allows you to be an effective RB.

    Tyner has the physical gifts..... Great size & speed. But when I watch his film I see a RB that lacks "natural RB" instincts and toughness. Against Oregon high schoolers he's productive but I don't see it translating to college. I hope I'm wrong as I was really high on this kid last year about this time. But the more I see of him the less I see "elite RB". I see an athlete not a RB.

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie