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  • Rebel_30 said...

    So telling them they are worth nothing and a complete accident makes them feel better? No matter how far you go in your knowledge it will never stop God from loving you. I just hope you realize this love before you stand before Him.

    Revelation 3:20 NKJV Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

    Every life is inherently worth something - I find it ridiculous that to you, the nonexistence of God means people aren't worth anything.

    I'm not even trying to knock the underlying concept of religion here - I'm just telling you how it's employed by powerful members of society. This is not some new idea, this is a historical pattern of the manipulation of religious populations. Quoting a Bible verse at me doesn't make it any less true.

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  • CMXI said...

    Every life is inherently worth something - I find it ridiculous that to you, the nonexistence of God means people aren't worth anything.

    I'm not even trying to knock the underlying concept of religion here - I'm just telling you how it's employed by powerful members of society. This is not some new idea, this is a historical pattern of the manipulation of religious populations. Quoting a Bible verse at me doesn't make it any less true.

    If this world was started by an accident then that means we are accidents, therefore worth nothing. What is there to live for in a life that was started without purpose?

    To me life is worth nothing without Christ. All I can do is share the Truth with you. If I don't use scripture to back up what I say then it will be ineffective. I alone can't do anything. Only by Christ working through me can I share.

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • Rebel_30 said...

    If this world was started by an accident then that means we are accidents, therefore worth nothing. What is there to live for in a life that was started without purpose?

    To me life is worth nothing without Christ. All I can do is share the Truth with you. If I don't use scripture to back up what I say then it will be ineffective. I alone can't do anything. Only by Christ working through me can I share.

    Using scripture to convince atheists of anything is ineffective. Accidents can have great worth. Some of the greatest discoveries, were discovered on accident. all you are doing by saying there is a god is pushing out the meaning by one level. What is the purpose of your god? If you think there is no purpose for man without god, then there is no purpose for god without something greater than god, ad infinitum.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • Rebel_30 said...

    I think I may understand a little. It sounds like you view Heaven as a place where we can maybe see hell and the people there, or have knowledge of it. I'm not sure about the knowledge of it (I'm not there yet obviously) but Heaven is not a place where you can see hell.

    You don't have to be able to see it - you're well aware that of the 7 billion or so people on the earth right now, 5 billion don't believe and will end up in hell. You're intrinsically aware because someone is either in heaven or hell, and if they aren't in heaven with you (something you could easily check), you know they're being tortured.

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  • Rebel_30 said...

    If this world was started by an accident then that means we are accidents, therefore worth nothing. What is there to live for in a life that was started without purpose?

    Antibiotics were found completely on accident. Why should we use them, right, as they weren't purposefully designed?

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    You don't have to be able to see it - you're well aware that of the 7 billion or so people on the earth right now, 5 billion don't believe and will end up in hell. You're intrinsically aware because someone is either in heaven or hell, and if they aren't in heaven with you (something you could easily check), you know they're being tortured.

    Revelation 21:4 NKJV

    "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

    We won't know you are in eternal torment. We won't even have a remembrance of you. That's why we tell the Truth while we can.

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Antibiotics were found completely on accident. Why should we use them, right, as they weren't purposefully designed?

    How can you claim they weren't purposefully designed? If you look from a creation point of view then it's no accident. Also, God gave Flemming the ability to use what he found (penicillin) for good. So what if it was found by accident.

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • Rebel_30 said...

    If this world was started by an accident then that means we are accidents, therefore worth nothing. What is there to live for in a life that was started without purpose?

    To me life is worth nothing without Christ. All I can do is share the Truth with you. If I don't use scripture to back up what I say then it will be ineffective. I alone can't do anything. Only by Christ working through me can I share.

    Since when are accidents worth nothing? Unexpected pregnancies bring "accidental" children into the world all the time. Penicillin was discovered accidentally. Hell, the list of fortuitous accidents in sports history practically goes on forever.

    Arguably, if you can't do anything without Christ, then aren't you currently worthless? I mean, Christ could preach on his own, so what good are you?

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  • Rebel_30 said...

    If this world was started by an accident then that means we are accidents, therefore worth nothing. What is there to live for in a life that was started without purpose?

    To me life is worth nothing without Christ. All I can do is share the Truth with you. If I don't use scripture to back up what I say then it will be ineffective. I alone can't do anything. Only by Christ working through me can I share.

    Just because you are not a christian does not mean you believe the world was started by accident.

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  • ElephanTideis said...

    Just because you are not a christian does not mean you believe the world was started by accident.

    I didn't say that.

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • CMXI said...

    Since when are accidents worth nothing? Unexpected pregnancies bring "accidental" children into the world all the time. Penicillin was discovered accidentally. Hell, the list of fortuitous accidents in sports history practically goes on forever.

    Arguably, if you can't do anything without Christ, then aren't you currently worthless? I mean, Christ could preach on his own, so what good are you?

    I am referring to the start of life and a purpose for being here. God doesn't make accidents, people do though. Do I agree with the pregnancy issue and penicillin (I posted about that above)

    This post was edited by Rebel_30 on 2/26/2013 at 9:09 AM

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    Rebel_30

  • The existence of some animals should prove that 100% evolution w/o a creator is astronomical and basically impossible. An example of this is a Dolphin considering they bear their young alive and breathe air yet spend their entire life in water. In order for this to happen according evolution a land mammal would have to go into the water and change into a sea creature. For this land mamal to turn into a dolphin it's nose would have to move to the back of it's head, feet and claws would be exchanged for tails, develop a torpedo shaped body for swimming, entire metabolsim and bone stucture be changed, also a sonar system for finding food. Also it would have to develop all these techniques at once you can't have some of these features w/o the other you wouldn't survive. Also their is no fossils to connect a transitionary phase.

    This post was edited by jmsmooth33 on 2/26/2013 at 9:51 AM

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    The existence of some animals should prove that 100% evolution w/o a creator is astronomical and basically impossible. An example of this is a Dolphin considering they bear their young alive and breathe air yet spend their entire life in water. In order for this to happen according evolution a land mammal would have to go into the water and change into a sea creature. For this land mamal to turn into a dolphin it's nose would have to move to the back of it's head, feet and claws would be exchanged for tails, develop a torpedo shaped body for swimming, entire metabolsim and bone stucture be changed, also a sonar system for finding food. Also it would have to develop all these techniques at once you can't have some of these features w/o the other you wouldn't survive. Also their is no fossils to connect a transitionary phase.

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    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

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