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Free will...

  • brem22 said...

    Anyway, here are just a couple of answers (of many) you could run with...

    God’s omnipotence includes the power to set a limit on what can be known even to himself. This allows for free moral choices.

    God knows everything that’s happening or ever happened, but cannot know the future, because it doesn't exist. This doesn’t compromise God’s omniscience because it’s not possible to know something that doesn't exist. Similarly, that it’s not possible to make a circle with three angles does not affect God's omnipotence. A circle is a circle and a triangle is a triangle.

    Those are interesting answers.FWIW I didn't think you were the one who was being sarcastic, I thought your question was legitimate, I just did not want to answer it for various reasons

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  • This is just my opinion.

    I for one am not am not a Christian or any other religion, but I am not an atheist either. I guess I just believe in god away from all organized religion.

    God can do both. God can know all the possibilities throughout our life. Therefore, we are free to choose as we will. Just because god can see the future doesn't mean there is only one future. There are infinitely many possibilities during a given life span. Because he is omniscient, he can know all of them. Unless the definition of omniscient has changed from 'all-knowing'. If we didn't have free will could god still be considered omnibenevolent? I don't think so. How could someone control our every move be considered good. However, since god is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent wouldn't he be able to step in and save us at any given sign of trouble? Well, he could do that, but then that wouldn't be free will and god couldn't be omnibenevolent. However, God could create an inclination to choose good over evil. If he put those inclinations into us from the start could we have free will. No, not likely. However, I think it would be okay if there were outside influences (a.k.a - Bible, Heaven (to be good) Hell (to not be bad).

    dkerns ●

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    WOW what a nerd, you def got your azz kicked in HS..

    I have over 300 confirmed kills...etc. etc.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • dkerns said...

    This is just my opinion.

    I for one am not am not a Christian or any other religion, but I am not an atheist either. I guess I just believe in god away from all organized religion.

    God can do both. God can know all the possibilities throughout our life. Therefore, we are free to choose as we will. Just because god can see the future doesn't mean there is only one future. There are infinitely many possibilities during a given life span. Because he is omniscient, he can know all of them. Unless the definition of omniscient has changed from 'all-knowing'. If we didn't have free will could god still be considered omnibenevolent? I don't think so. How could someone control our every move be considered good. However, since god is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent wouldn't he be able to step in and save us at any given sign of trouble? Well, he could do that, but then that wouldn't be free will and god couldn't be omnibenevolent. However, God could create an inclination to choose good over evil. If he put those inclinations into us from the start could we have free will. No, not likely. However, I think it would be okay if there were outside influences (a.k.a - Bible, Heaven (to be good) Hell (to not be bad).

    An omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient god is impossible in a universe with any evil.

    Of course, omnipotence itself is impossible. The classic stoner question, "Could jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it" applies. If no, or if yes, he is not omnipotent.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • brem22 said...

    Anyway, here are just a couple of answers (of many) you could run with...

    God’s omnipotence includes the power to set a limit on what can be known even to himself. This allows for free moral choices.

    God knows everything that’s happening or ever happened, but cannot know the future, because it doesn't exist. This doesn’t compromise God’s omniscience because it’s not possible to know something that doesn't exist. Similarly, that it’s not possible to make a circle with three angles does not affect God's omnipotence. A circle is a circle and a triangle is a triangle.

    Unfortunately, these answers do not jive with an additional restriction our no-so-talkative friend has placed on himself: God has a (read: singular) plan for us.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Unfortunately, these answers do not jive with an additional restriction our no-so-talkative friend has placed on himself: God has a (read: singular) plan for us.

    It is impossible for you to prove 100% that God does not exist so you're just wasting your time bro and Lulz that you use wiki has your sources..

    jmsmooth33

  • amrollZ71 said...

    I challenge those who have posted in this thread. Try and post something without a sarcastic or condescending tone towards Christianity, it provides for intelligent discussion.

    Either way, I am not gonna answer OP's question.

    Haha.

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    It is impossible for you to prove 100% that God does not exist so you're just wasting your time bro and Lulz that you use wiki has your sources..

    There's more proof that a Christian god doesn't exist (see above, logical fallacies of an allegedly omnipotent God) than there has ever been of his existence in the entirety of human history.

    But hey, don't let that get to you.

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  • jmsmooth33 said...

    It is impossible for you to prove 100% that God does not exist so you're just wasting your time bro and Lulz that you use wiki has your sources..

    Don't think that's what he's trying to do, you would know that if you weren't being so defensive and actually approached a topic like this with an open mind.

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  • brem22 said...

    Anyway, here are just a couple of answers (of many) you could run with...

    God’s omnipotence includes the power to set a limit on what can be known even to himself. This allows for free moral choices.

    God knows everything that’s happening or ever happened, but cannot know the future, because it doesn't exist. This doesn’t compromise God’s omniscience because it’s not possible to know something that doesn't exist. Similarly, that it’s not possible to make a circle with three angles does not affect God's omnipotence. A circle is a circle and a triangle is a triangle.

    Neither you nor I can define Gods limitations..
    Noone knows what God can or can't do because He is God.. unmatched by a mere mortal or human on this earth ..

    Itchin

  • fsufsu said...

    Now we have multiple threads discussing what was a centralized topic and now folks who previously didnt want to participate are pissed because they are being subjected to it. Well moderated.

    Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna whoop a few asses for you. You tell me who is breaking into these people houses, putting a gun to their head and forcing them to open and read threads they don't want to. I'll track em down and kick their asses.

    If the mods can't stop people from forcing other posters to read threads they don't want to, by gosh Smitty gonna step up to the plate and take care of bizness.

    Seriously, this may be your dumbest post yet, and that is really saying something.

    VTSmitty ●

  • Itchin said...

    Neither you nor I can define Gods limitations.. Noone knows what God can or can't do because He is God.. unmatched by a mere mortal or human on this earth ..

    blah

    Once again, someone is trying to tell us that we should listen to them about what god is. Then they admit they have no idea to begin with.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • I find this whole thread amusing. Here's all I have to say... We're all going to die and whether you believe in God or not, you're gonna be praying on your death bed, so what does that tell you?

    Here's the other thing, from an atheist's perspective, I tell them this, " If I pray to God every day and die and there's no God, who did it hurt in the first place? If I do and there is, I win AGAIN."

    Faith is everything. Even ask guys like Wooden, Phil Jackson and Jobs and anybody else who's seen Dead Man Walking.

    At the same token, to each his own. If that's what you believe, God(pun intended) bless you.

    That's also why there's separation of church and state.

    CoachGomez214

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    blah

    Once again, someone is trying to tell us that we should listen to them about what god is. Then they admit they have no idea to begin with.

    If you aren't willing to listen to people who believe in Jesus, then why should we listen to you?

    Jeff4SC

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I find this whole thread amusing. Here's all I have to say... We're all going to die and whether you believe in God or not, you're gonna be praying on your death bed, so what does that tell you?

    Here's the other thing, from an atheist's perspective, I tell them this, " If I pray to God every day and die and there's no God, who did it hurt in the first place? If I do and there is, I win AGAIN."

    Faith is everything. Even ask guys like Wooden, Phil Jackson and Jobs and anybody else who's seen Dead Man Walking.

    At the same token, to each his own. If that's what you believe, God(pun intended) bless you.

    That's also why there's separation of church and state.

    Good point, but just praying to God will not get you into Heaven

    Jeff4SC

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I find this whole thread amusing. Here's all I have to say... We're all going to die and whether you believe in God or not, you're gonna be praying on your death bed, so what does that tell you?

    Here's the other thing, from an atheist's perspective, I tell them this, " If I pray to God every day and die and there's no God, who did it hurt in the first place? If I do and there is, I win AGAIN."

    Faith is everything. Even ask guys like Wooden, Phil Jackson and Jobs and anybody else who's seen Dead Man Walking.

    At the same token, to each his own. If that's what you believe, God(pun intended) bless you.

    That's also why there's separation of church and state.

    Can't trick yourself into believing in God nor can you trick an omnipotent being.

    SCirish843 ●

  • I think for most people the "God knows" viewpoint when it comes to all of life's choices and outcomes is a way to cope with bad situations. I'm not saying it's wrong to do so, but I think it's easier to get over, say, falling down a flight if stairs and breaking both of your legs if you tell yourself, "God knew this was going to happen; just part of His plan."

    Personally, I think God knows all of the potential outcomes but NOT what we will choose. That's our free will.

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I find this whole thread amusing. Here's all I have to say... We're all going to die and whether you believe in God or not, you're gonna be praying on your death bed, so what does that tell you?

    Here's the other thing, from an atheist's perspective, I tell them this, " If I pray to God every day and die and there's no God, who did it hurt in the first place? If I do and there is, I win AGAIN."

    Faith is everything. Even ask guys like Wooden, Phil Jackson and Jobs and anybody else who's seen Dead Man Walking.

    At the same token, to each his own. If that's what you believe, God(pun intended) bless you.

    That's also why there's separation of church and state.

    Ah... good old false dichotomy. Sure hope you pick the right christian sect out of the 35,000 different ones. That is of course if the christian god is the right god.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • Jeff4SC said...

    If you aren't willing to listen to people who believe in Jesus, then why should we listen to you?

    Please, like you have listened to anyone in this thread.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    It is impossible for you to prove 100% that God does not exist so you're just wasting your time bro and Lulz that you use wiki has your sources..

    It is impossible for you to prove 100% that purple Carmufleplumkins do not exist

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • Where free will refers to God or religion.
    God gives us free will to chose to follow him or to not follow him.

    DawgCommander ●

  • DawgCommander said...

    Where free will refers to God or religion. God gives us free will to chose to follow him or to not follow him.

    Boy, what a generous choice: "Sure, you can choose not to follow me, but I'll damn you to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't. Totally free choice though."

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  • CMXI said...

    Boy, what a generous choice: "Sure, you can choose not to follow me, but I'll damn you to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't. Totally free choice though."

    Other people who offer you similar choices:
    Mobsters
    Bank robbers
    Muggers
    Militias

    Hooray!

    ramssuperbowl99

  • CMXI said...

    Boy, what a generous choice: "Sure, you can choose not to follow me, but I'll damn you to an eternity of pain and suffering if you don't. Totally free choice though."

    Look at why you have to make that choice. Break Gods laws then the penalty is damnation. I am one that is happy God gave us one way to overcome that damnation.

    DawgCommander ●

  • DawgCommander said...

    Look at why you have to make that choice. Break Gods laws then the penalty is damnation. I am one that is happy God gave us one way to overcome that damnation.

    Analogous: If you don't listen to the mugger, he will shoot you in the head. I for one, am glad he'll give me a way to overcome being shot in the head.

    ramssuperbowl99

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