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ramssuperbowl99 said...
"I do think of others, and the rest of the world. By no means can I understand it or explain it. It is hard to grasp. As much is."
Honest question - is this a sign of doubt?
"I appreciate your comments, and questions, and a really good discussion. I have tried to put a lot of thought in and answer as accurately and sincerely as I could.
My favorite NFL team for the last 36 years has been the Colts. Since you have worked all the way around to a Colt's reference, I'll take it as a sign to leave this conversation where it is, and I'm sure we'll take it up another day. Catch you later, my man."
I appreciate it. Fun stuff. As always, I appreciate a civil discussion! Take it easy!
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VTSmitty said...
Rebuttal comment your honor.
Honest question - is this a sign of doubt?
Not at all. It is frustration in what I don't understand. Same in my personal life. There have been times I prayed/talked to God, and yelled and was mad. Have prayed "God, I'm mad at you and don't want to talk to you, help me to get over it, amen."
I know that has to kind of crazy, but it always works for me
ok, really done this time
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sorry, but I am not reading everyone's response but here is my opinion. God is all knowing and yes you do have free will. But god is is omniscience and knows what you are going to do. You have a chance for your soul to grow in knowledge and faith which is why you don't know what is up ahead. But God does.
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sorry, but I am not reading everyone's response but here is my opinion. God is all knowing and yes you do have free will. But god is is omniscience and knows what you are going to do. You have a chance for your soul to grow in knowledge and faith which is why you don't know what is up ahead. But God does.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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I am in the minority as far as Christians are concerned, but I believe in predestination and election. I believe God knows all and has known it before He created anything. When people say 'He looked ahead into time", they forget that He created time for us. He is eternal therefore time doesn't apply to Him.
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Yep! Laugh away. It's not unexpected.
Ezekiel 22:5 NKJV
Those near and those far from you will mock you as infamous and full of tumult.
Luke 18:32 NKJV
For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon.
Luke 22:63 NKJV
Now the men who held Jesus mocked Him and beat Him.
Acts 2:13 NKJV
Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”
Hebrews 11:36 NKJV
Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment.
II Timothy 3:12 NKJV
'Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.'
We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours
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Itchin said...
I think we've all been in the 'prove it' mode, and we've all come from a non- believers position at some point.. Like one of the other posters said..- Some of us just became too convinced that the 'still, small voice' that we were constantly denying , wasn't the boogie man.. Hopefully, there will come a time in yr life when that calling is so pronounced, persuasive, and all fear and doubt are removed that it is NOT such a giant leap to change your lifestyle and belief system.. We have peace and are contented in trouble times bcuz we know that we alone do not carry the weight of the world on our shoulders.. It is an amazing place to rest in an otherwise 'scary' and troublesome world. .. Don't doubt and don't hate..! Just trust that there is shelter from the storm.- It sounds absurd and too 'out there' for a non- believer, but i'm pretty sure that you won't convince one of God's people to say they don't feel the protection and love every single day.. That, i really doubt-
We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours
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Sorry if I don't think you have all come from a non-believers position since you have clearly shown you do not understand that position. You might have been an Apathiest, meaning you still believed in a god. But you just didn't care about it. Also, from what I have seen, it is not the relgious that have peace and are contented. It is the right winger religious people that are worried about having guns to protect themselves and are always worried about the fall of the United States.
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If he knows the path we will take before we take it then our plan has been predetermined by him. And if he is the creator of the beings travelling on said path then we are still being forced to go down a predetermined road he already laid out for us.
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premise 1 - there is a god that has a plan for everything
premise 2 - Nothing can happen that is not according to god's plan
event - I do not believe in a god
conclusion - Either god is a dick and has set me on a course that can not alter from the fires of hell, or I can alter god's plan by my choice and am more powerful than god.
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I want you to really think about this. You believe God has a set path that everyone follows. That means at least 6 billion people on this Earth today will spend an eternity in hell for not believing in the right god, not following the right sect of a religion that worships the right god, or doesn't believe at all. This also means he set a plan for a mother to give birth to a child only to watch it die in her arms maybe a year or two later due to starvation. This means he set a plan for a son to see his dad die right in front of him trying to catch a baseball at a Texas Rangers' game. This means he set up a plan where two Boeing 747's crashed in to and ultimately brought down the WTC, killing around 3,000 people in the process. This mean the Holocaust was already determined. The girl getting raped and brutally beaten in an alley was all just part of the plan. If you can take a good hard look at all of the madness and truly disturbing things in this world and still say "it's all been predetermined by the big guy upstairs and I still devote my existence to him," then

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