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  • bear2saban said...

    He's dead serious.

    Check the edit. Again it's not what I wanted.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Check the edit. Again it's not what I wanted.

    You believe that? You actually think it was intended to reduce the deficit? Obama knew when he proposed it that it would increase it, so reducing the deficit couldn't have been his intention. His intention could have been to increase the deficit, but I think his intentions were much more sinister. I truly believe he hates America.

    bear2saban

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Check the edit. Again it's not what I wanted.

    It reduced the deficit? You do realize it hasn't gone into effect right? And that it in no way is cost effective compared to the current system(unless you are currently uninsured)?

    stoptothink

  • bear2saban said...

    You believe that? You actually think it was intended to reduce the deficit? Obama knew when he proposed it that it would increase it, so reducing the deficit couldn't have been his intention. His intention could have been to increase the deficit, but I think his intentions were much more sinister. I truly believe he hates America.

    I'm confused on why the 535 congressmen and women are being left out of this equation. The original CBO report scored it as deficit-reducing. Gimmicks or not,it was. Political changes,whatever,it's not anymore. Something sinister? Come on. It was a terrible,Washington-esque,lobbyist-driven excuse of an act.

    I'd also like to ask. Why the hate,personally,for the guy? What evidence would lead you to believe he's not just inept? Why would he hate America?

    I just never thought people seriously thought this. I can understand holding a different view and being able to disprove and dislike policies.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 3/20/2012 at 5:38 PM

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  • stoptothink said...

    It reduced the deficit? You do realize it hasn't gone into effect right? And that it in no way is cost effective compared to the current system(unless you are currently uninsured)?

    Whether or not it's cost effective and will increase the national debt, IMO it's the right thing to do.

    IMO we have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate than us and free health care is a moral issue, not a monetary one.

    TalHawkins112

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Whether or not it's cost effective and will increase the national debt, IMO it's the right thing to do.

    IMO we have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate than us and free health care is a moral issue, not a monetary one.

    That's an opinion, not a fact...and I don't necessarily disagree. How we are going about it, that I have some issues with.

    stoptothink

  • Obama understands that when taking away subsidies, raising taxes etc., etc., businesses will pass the costs onto the consumers and he has no problem with it.

    Watch him admit it in this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

    GANoles93

  • GANoles93 said...

    Obama understands that when taking away subsidies, raising taxes etc., etc., businesses will pass the costs onto the consumers and he has no problem with it.

    Watch him admit it in this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

    Many people see gas companies as a predator that needs to be shot & killed. Many people see it like a cow that has to be "milked". They don't see it as what it really is the horse that is pulling the wagon. Weather u like it or not gas is the engine of our economy.

    lestat

  • Cap and trade is the best market-based approach to reducing emissions.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Cap and trade is the best market-based approach to reducing emissions.

    And kill this economy!

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    And kill this economy!

    False. There are already a wide-range of C&T programs that have not "killed the economy". There is one in the EU that deals with all different types of energy sources. One in the Northeast and Atlantic region of US that deals with electricity production. One that encompasses parts of Canada and Western US.

    This is not something new. It's all wholly supported as the least cost,market-based solution.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Cap and trade is the best market-based approach to reducing emissions.

    Good. Where can China and India sign up?

    GANoles93

  • GANoles93 said...

    Good. Where can China and India sign up?

    No one has the power or authority or right to force another country to do something without their approval.

    Id love to have china and India come up with some emissions reductions.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • Cap & trade was a horrible bill. it couldn't even pass when obama had the house & senate.

    lestat

  • lestat said...

    Cap & trade was a horrible bill. it couldn't even pass when obama had the house & senate.

    Yea there is this thing called a filibuster.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    False. There are already a wide-range of C&T programs that have not "killed the economy". There is one in the EU that deals with all different types of energy sources. One in the Northeast and Atlantic region of US that deals with electricity production. One that encompasses parts of Canada and Western US.

    This is not something new. It's all wholly supported as the least cost,market-based solution.

    Dude, this economy, as well as the entire EU's economy, is already on life support due to similar liberal hairbrain ideas. This would put it over the edge. Obama knows this. To answer your question from earlier, I'm convinced he's downright evil due to his continued support of these schemes which have no chance to do anything except leave the economy in ruins.

    It isn't a least-cost, market-based solution to anything...except perhaps our annoying survival instincts that, try as he might, Obama just can't seem to get around so he can put us down for the count.

    bear2saban

  • bear2saban said...

    Dude, this economy, as well as the entire EU's economy, is already on life support due to similar liberal hairbrain ideas. This would put it over the edge. Obama knows this. To answer your question from earlier, I'm convinced he's downright evil due to his continued support of these schemes which have no chance to do anything except leave the economy in ruins.

    It isn't a least-cost, market-based solution to anything...except perhaps our annoying survival instincts that, try as he might, Obama just can't seem to get around so he can put us down for the count.

    No it is the least-cost,market based solution. It is widely supported by economists for such.

    The economy of Europe is not in shambles because of cap and trade---which was instituted before the recent recession. It was in recession because of us. It went back intro recession because they went the route of austerity.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • 1st of all we should have been pumping crude out of Montana (Saudi 2) years ago - gas should have never reached the $2 mark.

    ofcourse those making the laws /regulations own stock in OPEC , so when do expect it to change ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Not sure if this point has been made, I gave up on reading the whole thread.
    I believe that there is a factor of the US dollar being held under the inflation that it should currently be having a factor on gas prices. The world gas price is based on the US dollar. If the people selling the gas know that dollar should really be a little lower compared to other currencies, it makes sense for them to raise the price right now. They cannot sell it in anything other than the dollar as far as I know.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    No it is the least-cost,market based solution. It is widely supported by economists for such.

    The economy of Europe is not in shambles because of cap and trade---which was instituted before the recent recession. It was in recession because of us. It went back intro recession because they went the route of austerity.

    Are you an economist? What experience do you have in the area of discussing the costs and benefits of cap and trade? Please do not list your 247 experience.

    bear2saban

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    1st of all we should have been pumping crude out of Montana (Saudi 2) years ago - gas should have never reached the $2 mark.

    ofcourse those making the laws /regulations own stock in OPEC , so when do expect it to change ?

    I agree we should be pumping the ish out of every square inch of land we find oil in. As for people owning stock in OPEC, you might want to keep that belief secret. No one owns stock in OPEC, especially not US Congressmen.

    bear2saban

  • bear2saban said...

    Are you an economist? What experience do you have in the area of discussing the costs and benefits of cap and trade? Please do not list your 247 experience.

    If a qualification for posting ITT is being an economist,then I doubt there would be much posting.

    It doesn't take much research to show that cap and trade as an incentive-based measure of emission trading has been found to be the least costly solution to emissions reduction.

    Instead of strict regulation and control of emitters,the cap and trade offers the companies involved the freedom to find the least costly measures to reduce or if the marginal cost is worth the price,buy credits from those that have gone under the cap.

    It keeps costly,bureaucratic measures out of the market and achieves a lower cost while lowering emissions.

    Below is a link to Gregory Mankiw's (Harvard economics professor, was on the council of economics advisors to Bush,advises Romneys campaign and his book is widely used---also considered conservative) blog post in relation to a survey of economists in the textbook on economics he wrote. Check out #14 on the list.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 3/20/2012 at 10:13 PM

    Greg Mankiw's Blog: News Flash: Economists Agree

    http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/02/news-flash-economists-agree.html?m=0

    gregmankiw.blogspot.com
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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Come back when you know what you're talking about. If you want to talk resumes, I'm at least as much an authority as the guy you linked.

    bear2saban

  • bear2saban said...

    Come back when you know what you're talking about. If you want to talk resumes, I'm at least as much an authority as the guy you linked.

    See now you went too far. You are CLEARLY trolling. I'm done with this fool.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    See now you went too far. You are CLEARLY trolling. I'm done with this fool.

    Haha. Keep your head in the sand.

    Also, quoting a Bush/Romney staff member as a conservative source is laughable. Neither of those guys has a conservative bone in their bodies.

    This post was edited by bear2saban on 3/20/2012 at 10:26 PM

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