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  • This post was edited by Freeds on 5/3/2012 at 2:08 PM

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    so this would be your "theory" or were you alive 4000 years ago?

    Based on Carbon Dating and Fossil Records . . not theory.

    But i guess since the scientific instruments we use to collect this data were created by evil scientists, their findings are obviously inaccurate. (sarcasm)

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    I agree. From now on I think we should only believe in things that we have seen.

    Good to know that no one here will be Christian anymore.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289611000912

    That doesn't mean every atheist is smarter than every christian, but there is a link between atheism and intelligence.

    That's one of the most deliciously ignorant statements I've ever heard. Do you really believe that? I'm going to make time to get involved here later.

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  • Freeds said...

    Based on Carbon Dating and Fossil Records . . not theory.

    But i guess since the scientific instruments we use to collect this data were created by evil scientists, their findings are obviously inaccurate. (sarcasm)

    Modern science was begun by Christians. Science isn't evil and no one says it is. Science that attempts to force the raw data into their preconceived categories (ala atheistic evolutionism) is what's bad. What's the worst is that so many scientists keep peddling this crap even when they know the big holes that their flat earthed, outdated Darwinian non-sense, has in it.

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  • goodnews said...

    Modern science was begun by Christians. Science isn't evil and no one says it is. Science that attempts to force the raw data into their preconceived categories (ala atheistic evolutionism) is what's bad. What's the worst is that so many scientists keep peddling this crap even when they know the big holes that their flat earthed, outdated Darwinian non-sense, has in it.

    modern science was started by the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and Chinese. Christian 'science' is the only thing that tries to force raw data into their preconceived categories. After all isn't that the purpose of Christian 'Science'? The bible already tells us everything we need to know so let's go try to cram everything into fitting what this old book says? You can go fly a kite with that flat earth thing since it applies more to your point of view than to modern science.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • theFightingtide said...

    I haven't been following this thread much, so i have a question I would imagine you could answer. And its my only one.

    Where is the missing link? Wouldn't that prove evolution was correct?

    What missing link? A half-human, half-monkey?

    Because if you think that is part of evolution, I don't think you understand evolution.

    Further, the idea that a "missing link" would solve anything is asinine. Think about it like this:

    Primate ancestor --- missing link ---- human

    Let's say we find the missing link (let's call him Jim), then we have this:

    Primate ancestor --- Jim --- human

    All good right? Except not at all, because you are going to say, "Hey, wait a minute! You need to find the missing link between Jim and the ancestor and Jim and the human!" And if/when we find that, you'd notice the two more "missing links" that are created.

    It's a lazy argument that conveys little knowledge of evolution and demands an infinite sample of "missing links".

    ramssuperbowl99

  • MAUDiculous said...

    Maybe we should start some alternative thread for this debate? Instead of hijacking the OP's thread... lol

    The OP knew exactly what they were doing when they started a thread with the 'God' title. It wasn't titled my sister almost died but is OK. biggrin

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • goodnews said...

    That's one of the most deliciously ignorant statements I've ever heard. Do you really believe that? I'm going to make time to get involved here later.

    I don't believe it - I have data that says exactly that.

    Further, increased religious fundamentalism correlated with decreased intelligence, so religious moderates are, in general, more intelligent that religious fundamentalists.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    What missing link? A half-human, half-monkey?

    Because if you think that is part of evolution, I don't think you understand evolution.

    Further, the idea that a "missing link" would solve anything is asinine. Think about it like this:

    Primate ancestor --- missing link ---- human

    Let's say we find the missing link (let's call him Jim), then we have this:

    Primate ancestor --- Jim --- human

    All good right? Except not at all, because you are going to say, "Hey, wait a minute! You need to find the missing link between Jim and the ancestor and Jim and the human!" And if/when we find that, you'd notice the two more "missing links" that are created.

    It's a lazy argument that conveys little knowledge of evolution and demands an infinite sample of "missing links".

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    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Evolution has nothing to do with how life started. All evolution says is that life changes over time.

    duuh...really?....whether you are created or a rock blew up and hailed monkeys down, humans and other life forms can and will evolve.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    duuh...really?....whether you are created or a rock blew up and hailed monkeys down, humans and other life forms can and will evolve.

    You said "the difference between creationism and evolution is the starting point". I read that as saying evolutionary theory encompasses some starting point of life.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • Every post that claims against evolution is a self-serving attempt to validate their belief because it is dependent on said belief. That bias is,has, and will be present in this thread.

    Goodnews' snake-oil-salesman red herrings of flat-earth "science" etc.; muddying the conversation with the combination of the layman's and scientific definition of theory; muddying the conversation with this counter-"evidence" that doesn't exist etc. etc. etc.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 5/3/2012 at 3:05 PM

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    duuh...really?....whether you are created or a rock blew up and hailed monkeys down, humans and other life forms can and will evolve.

    Cool... you accept evolution then. Big step for you.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Cool... you accept evolution then. Big step for you.

    I accept that living organisms can evolve or adapt to their surroundings. Why is it so hard to accept I believe in God? I accept you don't.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    I accept that living organisms can evolve or adapt to their surroundings. Why is it so hard to accept I believe in God? I accept you don't.

    My bad... I re-read some stuff and see that you didn't have a problem with evolution. I was thinking you didn't believe that evolution was true.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • goodnews said...

    That's one of the most deliciously ignorant statements I've ever heard. Do you really believe that? I'm going to make time to get involved here later.

    I would change his statement and rephrase it to say that there is a strong correlation between being educated and being agnostic or atheist.

    And when I say educated, I am not just referring to anyone who graduated from high school or a college. Many religious schools turn a blind eye to certain subjects and brainwash you to believe a certain way.

    When you are "truly" educated (actually study the evidence/take science classes/do the research/study all the facts), you begin to question these so called truths that were crammed into your head as a youngster, while your brain was still developing.

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  • Freeds said...

    If his church music director says so, it must be true. Very reliable source . . . church music directors are very learned scholars especially on evolutionary matters.

    You sir are one sharp fellow, I can see there is no fooling you.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    What missing link? A half-human, half-monkey?

    Because if you think that is part of evolution, I don't think you understand evolution.

    Further, the idea that a "missing link" would solve anything is asinine. Think about it like this:

    Primate ancestor --- missing link ---- human

    Let's say we find the missing link (let's call him Jim), then we have this:

    Primate ancestor --- Jim --- human

    All good right? Except not at all, because you are going to say, "Hey, wait a minute! You need to find the missing link between Jim and the ancestor and Jim and the human!" And if/when we find that, you'd notice the two more "missing links" that are created.

    It's a lazy argument that conveys little knowledge of evolution and demands an infinite sample of "missing links".

    All i'm saying is why isn't there that definitive step? I mean, I am no expert and am not trying to be, but wouldn't there be that link that shows where it occurred?

    And yea, I can see where someone would say that. I just have that one question and don't care about any others(Right now)

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  • theFightingtide said...

    All i'm saying is why isn't there that definitive step? I mean, I am no expert and am not trying to be, but wouldn't there be that link that shows where it occurred?

    And yea, I can see where someone would say that. I just have that one question and don't care about any others(Right now)

    In addition to there being many examples of definitive steps in evolution (the so called missing links), they can also predict what other steps they should find in between before they find them. The whole missing links thing is a red herring used in exactly the way that was spelled out to you earlier by Rams.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • I don't know you OP, but I too am glad your sister is ok. Had to have been horrible getting the call...

    Maybe it was god, Buddha, Allah, Shiva, zeus, Herra, seat belts, seat belt trolls, gremlins...I don't know. The big thing here is that she is ok.

    Crimson Smog

  • theFightingtide said...

    You sir are one sharp fellow, I can see there is no fooling you.

    If only you could be as sharp as myself . . . the world would be such a greater place.

    Religion is the greatest cause of any war

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  • theFightingtide said...

    All i'm saying is why isn't there that definitive step?

    Because that's not how evolutions works. It's not like a primate ancestor gave birth to a half-man, half-monkey, and those lived for a while, then the half-monkey, half-man gave birth to a human being.

    Evolution is a slow, gradual process. The definitive evidence comes from how similar our genomes are to related species, but even more importantly, how they are slightly different.

    The biggest thing for evolution are what is called 'silent mutations'. Silent mutations are changes to DNA that produce no change in the organism. There are only 2 ways this could happen:
    1. Evolution - that is, change in a genome over time
    2. A designer purposely placing them there in order to trick people into believing evolution.

    Considering the christian god is so desperate for people to know him that he's willing to torture you eternally if you don't, I have a hard time believing number 2.

    By the way, I know you said you aren't an expect. I'd recommend reading up on evolution. I realize the wiki link is obvious, but it's always a good place to start:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Because that's not how evolutions works. It's not like a primate ancestor gave birth to a half-man, half-monkey, and those lived for a while, then the half-monkey, half-man gave birth to a human being.

    Evolution is a slow, gradual process. The definitive evidence comes from how similar our genomes are to related species, but even more importantly, how they are slightly different.

    The biggest thing for evolution are what is called 'silent mutations'. Silent mutations are changes to DNA that produce no change in the organism. There are only 2 ways this could happen: 1. Evolution - that is, change in a genome over time 2. A designer purposely placing them there in order to trick people into believing evolution.

    Considering the christian god is so desperate for people to know him that he's willing to torture you eternally if you don't, I have a hard time believing number 2.

    By the way, I know you said you aren't an expect. I'd recommend reading up on evolution. I realize the wiki link is obvious, but it's always a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

    Wiki? really? lol

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    Wiki? really?

    Yes. It covers the basics without getting too much into Cell Biology (which can get fairly complicated quickly). Further, the poster's questions about a missing link pretty much mean he doesn't understand the underlying mechanisms of evolution. Basic reading can be helpful.

    ramssuperbowl99